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Apparently Surface laptops come with stellar repair guides now, and they improved repairability greatly. MS doing something nice for once?
Counterpoint… the battery is superglued to the chassis and to replace for my model was STEP 53, and that was to scrape the old battery off and glue the new one in, then 53 steps backwards to re-assemble.
From what I read about the 16 though that sounds like a lot harder of a sell.
I'm pretty sure the 13 is still paying Frameworks bills...
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But the rest of that machine is hot garbage.
I don't see any clear issues with it. I brought my friend an HP because their PC wasn't booting for someone reason and it's more than enough. If we really want to compare, I bet a refurbished Thinkpad would probably be about the same price as the typical Framework mainboard of similar performance. If you like framework, thats great, but it's not really about saving money.
And a used laptop is cheaper still! Which is all entirely irrelevant to the original point and the goal posts aren't even in view anymore. Finding cheaper products that aren't equivalent isn't exactly hard. If the singular thing you want is CPU performance then a laptop is a bad idea in the first place.
The really special thing about Frameworks is that you can quickly buy and replace basically any part, not just the usual RAM and SSD -- case in point, when I managed to damage my FW13's keyboard such that it was no longer usable, I could just... go straight to Framework's website and buy a new one for $40. And, I even had the option of a slightly improved one, that shed the Windows key and lacked the god-awful copilo…
Oh this is great, my keyboard is flaking and the hinge is as you say, I didn't realize they'd fixed it. I'll do some shopping now, thanks!
I thought Framework was worth a gamble. I replaced my last laptop after 10+ years because the battery gave out, the end-of-life hardware was so old it no longer got OS upgrades, and eventually apps stopped working. I like the idea of getting to easily throw new hardware at my machine to keep it going. (I also tired of Apple shoving bad experiences down my throat (TouchBar, Butterfly keyboards, thin glass screens that…
The problem is that the Framework starts so far behind in performance and battery efficiency of a cheaper Macbook that you aren’t saving money on perf upgrades. You really do have to buy it for the idea rather than the reality.
I work international (somewhat of a digital nomad) so perhaps I’m an outlier in my usage. I have an M1 MacBook Pro that I bought new at release. I can’t replace the memory or storage. But so far I didn’t need to do that. In case it breaks, I walk to my nearby electronics store and purchase a new MacBook Pro. With Time Machine restore I am up an running within an hour. The M1 goes onto the pile of stuff to repair late…
> In case it breaks, I walk to my nearby electronics store and purchase a new MacBook Pro. > Not working for a week waiting for Framework to send parts is not an option for me. You are comparing apples and oranges here. Apple is internationally available because it is 40 years old and very successful. There's no reason why Framework cannot be that successful in 10 years time. Furthermore, when Framework might become…
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you can switch the ports pretty quickly on framework laptops.
In my experience (my partner has a Framework), changing a port is not something easily done without putting the Framework bottom side up. In practice you need to stop whatever you are doing to first sleep the laptop, turn it over, change the port and then get back to what you were doing before. Repeat the process if you want to get the ports back in the original order.
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In Australia, all of these things would be returned for a full refund under Australia Consumer Law as a major fault, there is no time limit, just expectations of a reasonable consumer .
I can’t imagine trying to sell into the Australian market if a failing power socket after seven years is cause for a full refund. “My laptop is really slow.” “Don’t you think the power supply socket is faulty? ”
(I read this as the power socket in the laptop, not so much the power supply, obviously you'll have less luck there.)
I'm also a laptop weirdo and I've had a Framework 13 with the Ryzen 7 motherboard since May of 2022. I run Ubuntu (currently 25.10) on it. Its a good laptop, but not a great laptop. Its very light and compact (very important to me), and its been reliable, at least since the AMD GPU driver issues were resolved. The matte screen is fine, battery life is adequate, and the CPU meets my needs as a hobby developer. Overall…
I tried a coworker’s, I was a bit shocked how poor the case is. Everything flexes badly, especially the keyboard. I was considering one, but definitely not worth it. I can get a ThinkPad for less and it’s much better quality.
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Trackpad isn’t as good, true. But it’s not a bad trackpad, either, and I would counter that other operating systems that aren’t macOS support external normal mice a lot better. On macOS I needed to install a separate paid program (Smooze Pro) to make the scroll wheel of an external mouse normal for gaming or other purposes. I would be very interested to try the haptic trackpad on the Lenovo ThinkPad X9 15 Aura Editio…
> Also remember that this is a laptop for programming…how often am I using my mouse? All the time? Some of us have embraced IDE and graphical tooling in desktop systems since the 1990, after computers with desktop environments became affordable and we weren't stuck with text only interfaces.
And like I said, the trackpad isn’t bad, it’s just not the world’s best trackpad.
To reiterate further, macOS demands you use the trackpad for gestures that aren’t demanded in other operating systems. They want you to buy their $150 trackpad even though you’re sitting at a desk and could easily use a $20-50 third party mouse.