Rather than trying to draw policy conclusions from an epidemiological study like this, wouldn't it be more accurate to give drivers measured amounts of THC, put them in a driving simulator, and measure their performance?
Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study
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Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study
#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a larger discussion in a previous thread on this topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45494730 Since then, [0] has been published and I think it's worth at least a skim. Since it's quite recent the introduction summarizes some of the most recent research. The things that jump out at me are: - [0]: Habitual users with baseline concentrations above legal limits perform just as well as habitual users wi…
If that's the conclusion you'd also expect 40% of the population using it.
That sounds about right to be honest
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#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the truth is that habitual users are always impaired. Source: former habitual user.
I’ve never been a smoker, but I’ve known a lot of friends who went through periods of smoking multiple times per week or even daily for periods of time. Every single one of them denied impairment during those periods. Often vehemently so, belittling anyone who suggested they might be impaired as having succumbed to propaganda. Every single one of them remarked that they were sharper, more alert, and had better memory…
> Every single one of them denied impairment during those periods. Often vehemently so, belittling anyone who suggested they might be impaired as having succumbed to propaganda.
isn't that just common addiction response?
"no, nothing's wrong with me. my drugs aren't the problem - you are the problem"
Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study
#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the truth is that habitual users are always impaired. Source: former habitual user.
I’ve never been a smoker, but I’ve known a lot of friends who went through periods of smoking multiple times per week or even daily for periods of time. Every single one of them denied impairment during those periods. Often vehemently so, belittling anyone who suggested they might be impaired as having succumbed to propaganda. Every single one of them remarked that they were sharper, more alert, and had better memory…
Isn’t it suspicious that no matter what the circumstances, their current decision-making is correct and their past one wasn’t? It seems somewhat self-unaware.
You have to tune down your self-estimate’s value if your self-estimate shows historical poor performance.
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We can only cure this if we get serious about penalties Saying that in the country with world-leading mass incarceration mostly due to its decades long “war on drugs” which has very much not cured drug problems is a perfect example of putting ideological preconceptions ahead of reality.
We have world-leading criminality rates. Given that, the only alternatives are world-leading incarceration, or just letting criminals roam around making law-abiders' lives worse.
> We have world-leading criminality rates.
That's what happens when you use criminalization and penal slavery to replace chattel slavery.
Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study
#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was a larger discussion in a previous thread on this topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45494730 Since then, [0] has been published and I think it's worth at least a skim. Since it's quite recent the introduction summarizes some of the most recent research. The things that jump out at me are: - [0]: Habitual users with baseline concentrations above legal limits perform just as well as habitual users wi…
If that's the conclusion you'd also expect 40% of the population using it.
I would expect there to be significant overlap between the demographics of those who more commonly get in accidents and those who use THC. Based on nsc.org, it seems like the majority of car accidents are with drivers 25-34 years old, and occur more frequently late at night on weekends. That generally matches the profile of the stereotypical THC user. It is hard to find good numbers of THC use.
Remember that not all the population drives, nor are accidents randomly distributed in the population.
https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/age-of-dr... https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/overview/crashes-b...
Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study
#307> In a review of 246 deceased drivers, 41.9% tested positive for active THC in their blood, with an average level of 30.7 ng/mL — far exceeding most state impairment limits. That could mean they all had levels far exceeding most state impairment limits, but it also could mean most of them had trace levels, while a few had levels way above 30.7 ng/mL. So, it says fairly little. Also (FTA) “Researchers analyzed coroner…
They failed to present the average _age_ of the drivers as well. Young drivers are more often involved in fatalities than older drivers. This is clear if you look at the NHTSA's FARS database.
Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study
#308Some helpful context: The number of Americans age 12 and older who report using any marijuana product at least once in the past year is around 20% (Source https://apnews.com/article/marijuana-cannabis-alcohol-use-di... ) if I use one of the highest reported use numbers I can find. Even if you dismiss all of the questions brought up in these comments like the use of mean levels instead of median, not accounting for to…
You really think there arnt 20% of people who use but don’t report? What a crock of shit.
Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study
#309Rather than trying to draw policy conclusions from an epidemiological study like this, wouldn't it be more accurate to give drivers measured amounts of THC, put them in a driving simulator, and measure their performance?
Kind of a bad test since people know the goal is to drive well, most accident happen when people are complacent.
Re: Over 40% of deceased drivers in vehicle crashes test positive for THC: Study
#310The push for marijuana normalization has been one of the stupidest things in recent memory. It's a drug as harmful as alcohol or nicotine if misused.