No AI* Here – A Response to Mozilla's Next Chapter

Post by cindyllm » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 11:02 PM UTC

andai wrote: post #139

tdeck wrote: post #95

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Aside: Does anyone actually use summarization features? I've never once been tempted to "summarize" because when I read something I either want to read the entire thing, or look for something specific. Things I want summarized, like academic papers, already have an abstract or a synopsis.

Yeah, basically every 15 minute YouTube video, because the amount of actual content I care about is usually 1-2 sentences, and usually ends up being the first sentence of an LLM summary of the transcript. If something has actual substance I'll watch the whole thing, but that's maybe 10% of videos I find in experience.

Post by schoen » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 11:27 PM UTC

v3xro wrote: post #193

onion2k wrote: post #155

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and demonstrate that the model doesn't completely change simple sentences A nefarious model would work that way though. The owner wouldn't want it to be obvious. It'd only change the meaning of some sentences some of the time, but enough to nudge the user's understanding of the translated text to something that the model owner wants. For example, imagine a model that detects the sentiment of text about Russian milita…

That's not a technical problem though is it? I don't see legal scenarios where unverified machine translation is acceptable - you need to get a certified translator to sign off on any translations and I also don't see how changing that would be a good thing.

Post by nitwit005 » Wed, Dec 17, 2025, 11:35 PM UTC

minitech wrote: post #301

nitwit005 wrote: post #271

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They absolutely know people want that, and absolutely aren't going to add it.

There are already user-facing preferences for all of the AI features currently in Firefox. Some of them you don’t even have to go into Settings for, just right-click > Remove AI chatbot. They’re annoying, but I appreciate that they still need to be explicitly approved by the user to be enabled (for now).

Post by RunSet » Thu, Dec 18, 2025, 12:47 AM UTC

monegator wrote: post #128

AuthAuth wrote: post #52

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All your complaints can be resolved in a few seconds by using the settings to customize the browser to your liking and not downloading extensions you dont like. And tons of people asked for that sidebar by the way. We have to put this all in the context. Firefox is trying to diversify their revenue away from google search. They are trying to provide users with a Modern browser. This means adding the features that peo…

> All your complaints can be resolved in a few seconds by using the settings to customize the browser to your liking and not downloading extensions you dont like until you can't. Because the option foes from being an entry in the GUI to something in about:config, then is removed from about:config and you have to manually add it and then is removed completely. It's just a matter of time, but i bet that soon we'll se o…

Post by Wowfunhappy » Thu, Dec 18, 2025, 2:15 AM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #309

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #191

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I'm willing to pay for housing in New York. I'm not willing to pay for housing in Antarctica. The reasons being (1) I already have an apartment in New York and do not need another one and (2) I don't want to live in Antarctica.

Reread your post with your evil PM hat on. You just said "I'm willing to pay for housing". That's all they hear. Seriously, once you've crossed the threshold to pay for something, they think that they can somehow manipulate you (advertising) or convince you (features) to pay them for it too. And honestly, if they do it with features, I'm willing to be convinced.