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UK House of Lords attempting to ban use of VPNs by anyone under 16

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istjohn wrote: post #289
phatfish wrote: post #234

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Dunn was jailed eight weeks for posting three memes: > Prosecutor George Shelley said Dunn had posted three separate images. The first one showed a group of men, Asian in appearance, at Egremont crab fair 2025, with the caption: “Coming to a town near you.” > The second also showed a group of men, Asian in appearance leaving a boat on to Whitehaven beach. This, said Mr Shelley, had the caption: “When it’s on your tur…

Based on those descriptions... it sounds like he was pretty clearly racist? From the article:

> Sentencing Thompson, Judge Temperley had said of the zero tolerance approach being taken by courts:

> “This offence, I’m afraid, has to be viewed in the context of the current civil unrest up and down this country. And I’ve no doubt at all that your post is connected to that wider picture.

> “I don’t accept that your comments and the emojis that you posted were directed at the police. I’ve read in the case summary of the comments you made on arrest which clearly demonstrate to me that there was a racial element to the messaging and the posting of these emojis.

> “That has to be reflected in the sentence...there to be a deterrent element in the sentence that I impose, because this sort of behaviour has to stop.

> “It encourages others to behave in a similar way and ultimately it leads to the sorts of problems on the streets that we’ve been seeing in so many places up and down this country. This offence is serious enough for custody.”

So the actual news here is "man jailed for sharing memes that Asian people are invading the UK and coming to murder you".

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

teeray wrote: post #159

Why does it seem like all this age-restriction and the consequential VPN bans are happening across the west all at once?

Britain, Australia, and Canada love massive government overreach for some reason. America seems to have escaped it by having a culture of just hating government in general.

I will say the EUs love affair with it is somewhat new (last 10-15 years or so).

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Post by fao_ »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #292
tormeh wrote: post #202

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Germany does not protect free speech the way the US does. You're free to voice any opinion, but the exact wordings in which you are allowed to do it are restricted. You are allowed to say "I hate Merz" but not "Merz is a piece of garbage". I'm not saying this is good, but it's not recent and it does not prevent free communication of ideas.

> You're free to voice any opinion What a bold lie. There are plenty of opinions that are literally illegal to voice such as Nazism.

Why do you want to voice or otherwise condone voicing Nazism?

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

iamacyborg wrote: post #57

What is it about these UK politics posts that draws a particular type of commenter? What the heck media are these folks consuming to have such a warped view of this country?

Most Americans generally think European governments are more relaxed and less authoritarian than our own so finding out how much worse than us they are is a complete shock. It doesn't help that Europeans all jump into the comments trying to gaslight everyone that they have something even vaguely close to free speech.

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Post by ipaddr »

Defletter wrote: post #282
hopelite wrote: post #244

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I have to say, it is a bit astonishing how much you are in a kind of bargaining stage of trying to rationalize how what is happening, is not actually happening, all while the trap doors are closing all around you even though very slowly. Why do you think that is? It is not just a British thing, because this ruling class tyranny is descending all across the western world, regardless of whether it is particularly egreg…

For me at least (different person), the term "speech offences" has been so captured by the far-right who think publicly advocating for the burning down of buildings populated with minorities is totally fine, but calling someone racist is beyond the pale. Whereas, at least from my own experience, progressives tend to use phrases related to expression, eg, protests. And so when I hear "speech offences", my immediate th…

For you the issue is a left right issue and if the opinion matches yours it is acceptable and seen in a positive light but if it's the other side you have no tolerance.

You will never have free speech just controlled speech with alternating people in power. Which I think is a worse outcome because the people in power will never allow controlled speech against them.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

owisd wrote: post #188
iamacyborg wrote: post #57

What is it about these UK politics posts that draws a particular type of commenter? What the heck media are these folks consuming to have such a warped view of this country?

Seems to be a device for American free speech advocates to feel like they’re contributing something while being distracted from Trump chilling free speech by shaking down CBS & ABC, defunding Harvard, bogus investigations into James Comey, Tish James & others, Texas school book bannings, AAUP vs Rubio, etc, etc.

I mean all of those are downright minor compared to what's happening in the UK. Seriously it's creepy how many people try to gaslight Americans that what we are seeing isn't one of the largest trampling on the rights of free speech in the west.

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

fao_ wrote: post #304
tick_tock_tick wrote: post #292

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> You're free to voice any opinion What a bold lie. There are plenty of opinions that are literally illegal to voice such as Nazism.

Why do you want to voice or otherwise condone voicing Nazism?

That's just the easiest example that no one is even going to try and dispute to prove them wrong.

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Post by ipaddr »

fao_ wrote: post #296
istjohn wrote: post #270

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Those examples are completely inoccuous to my sensibilities. Of course, there are plenty of countries that lack the broad speech protections Americans enjoy, but one doesn't expect such curtailments of personal liberty in a fellow English-speaking western "liberal" democracy.

The first example was "man arrested for wearing the exact same outfit as a man who intentionally blew himself up, killing 22 people". It's not "he was wearing the same chequered shirt!" either. As a UK citizen... I don't see how that fits under "free speech", lol Even with "freedom of speech", you do not have "freedom from fascism" built into that, case in point, Wikipedia has multiple pages documenting both the curr…

Freedom to choose clothing wouldn't fall under any version of freedom of speech?

I would would work with your fellow citizens to change that.

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