DeepSeek uses banned Nvidia chips for AI model, report says

Post by amanaplanacanal » Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 8:48 AM UTC

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I see Chinese citizens traveling abroad every day. Doesn't look like they cannot travel. Freedom of what exactly? Are you really free in America when you have to toil away 12 hours per day to make ends meet? Honestly funny to see people falling for American propaganda.

They only let some of them out. And it's hard to get a passport. Most other countries work the opposite way. You need approval to enter. In China, you need approval to exit.

Post by justatdotin » Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 9:22 AM UTC

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> It's the moral imperative of every country to optimize for its citizens' economic prospects. "Moral imperative"? No country was ever created out of a moral imperative. None. Also, no country was ever created to optimize for its citizens' economic prospects. Every country was created by the elites for the benefits of the elites.

> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is…

Post by dominotw » Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 11:05 AM UTC

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I thought this was common knowledge. DeepSeek’s Wikipedia entry says that they trained all their models on Nvidia chips procured before the U.S. embargo to China on them. It wouldn’t surprise me if they continued acquiring them through, well, less than legal means. I also read somewhere (not Wikipedia) that they trained on ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini queries, basically feeding in the output of competitor’s LLMs as tr…

> It’s bandits all the way down, so adding a little smuggling to that doesn’t surprise me. Implying it’s *morally* wrong for a Chinese company to bypass US sanctions is hilarious. You really say that with a straight face when even the president admits this is only protectionism?

Post by Paradigma11 » Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 11:58 AM UTC

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China banned them AFTER the US first banned them and then unbanned them and a series of unfriendly trade moves by the US. This discussion where China is always purely dishonest, bad etc. without any context is honestly lame. The Chinese ban is largely a political move designed to signal that they're not going to be pushed around. They pretty much know companies are using them, (and H100 in Thailand etc.) but as long…

> It's certainly better than the EU just rolling over for King Donald, which as a EU citizen is embarrassing. I'm seeing it more as buying time thing. In sourcing as much as possible in the EU is already in progress, as well as various trade agreements with different countries and economic blocs. That doesn't mean it isn't preferable to play nice with the demented guy to make the transition less painful in the short…

Post by thiagoharry » Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 12:57 PM UTC

dominotw wrote: post #305

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> It’s bandits all the way down, so adding a little smuggling to that doesn’t surprise me. Implying it’s *morally* wrong for a Chinese company to bypass US sanctions is hilarious. You really say that with a straight face when even the president admits this is only protectionism?

yes stealing is morally wrong?