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Post by stabbles »

designerarvid wrote: post #29
everdrive wrote: post #9

This outcome was obvious. If you really let yourself rely on an LLM, it will steer you towards what its owners want; products and services provided by advertisers, the "right" social and moral values, etc. It will even "accidentally" steer you towards its own inflections and ways of thinking. This is one isn't overtly malicious, but is still insidious. Do these companies get to standardize thinking and speaking just…

Sure, but there’s also market competition. As long as the switching costs are low the preference of the market will steer the suppliers.

Question is whether the space is competitive enough. Other SOTA models are made by companies whose business model already is selling ads.

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Post by eszed »

boppo1 wrote: post #170
jennyholzer wrote: post #141

IMO OpenAI is the contemporary manifestation of the sort of eugenicist thought that infected and eventually haunted the United States and Europe in the 19th and 20th centuries. I can't speak for other cultures, but as an English-language speaker, I can see plainly that OpenAI has done and is doing an effective job of homogenizing English language culture. It offends me that ChatGPT is too conservative to analyze Shak…

I'm very open about sex and art and I am offended by the censorship in models, but my reading of that line is more with chatgpt. But idk Shakespeare at all. Can you elaborate on how he's definitely describing semen on her?

I've studied and taught Shakespeare, and been professionally acquainted with Shakespeare scholars whose names (at least) other Shakespeare scholars know. That's an... eccentric reading. There's no "definitely" in literature, of course, and GP's reading can be made to work.

If I were to try to defend it in an academic setting I'd be looking for how securely or inevitably "groan" is used as a synecdoche for orgasm (I can think of at least three instances in Shakespeare where it doesn't, and off the top of my head no others where it does), and for other period instances where the neck is eroticized as a site of ejaculation (I am not aware of any).

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

glenstein wrote: post #164
isodev wrote: post #132

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> - Extremely personal data on users - Novel way of introducing and learning more about sponsored products Doesn’t anyone think this is really, really bad idea? We managed to radicalise people into the rise and fall of entire countries through analog ads, can you imagine how devastating it would be to infuse every digital product with all that?

>Doesn’t anyone think this is really, really bad idea? I mean I do. And you do. Probably a lot of people in this thread. I felt that way about Netflix doing it, but they did and the world just moved on. I think you're right that these ads will be, in a sense, worse, but not by the metrics that matter to OpenAI.

Netflix never introduced ads in the ad free service. They introduced a new lower tier price with ads that if you were an existing customer, you were none the wiser.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

aurareturn wrote: post #252
veeti wrote: post #209

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Google can just build "import from ChatGPT" into Chrome, like switching from Internet Explorer back in the day.

How do you suppose they can do that technically when OpenAI inevitably remove export function?

Doesn’t the GDPR mandate it? I know even AWS had to introduce a one time method of being able to export your data without charge.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

walthamstow wrote: post #88
sph wrote: post #25

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Brainwashing at a scale never seen before.

It's nowhere near social media scale yet.

In many ways it's worse, because with social media you know -- or think you know -- the source, and you use that to judge accordingly how open you are to what you're reading or how much you trust its veracity, or what biases it might have. Whereas with LLMs most people inherently trust because the LLM is supposedly objective and unbiased.

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Post by rglullis »

auggierose wrote: post #179
rglullis wrote: post #125

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How many of those will have no issue to learn what it is once the ads become too annoying?

Very good question! 1% ?

You are vastly overestimating people's willingness to deal with bullshit, when the product does not have a real lock in.

It would be incredibly easy to have a company offering their ChatGPT over WhatsApp or iMessage, and get people to start using it instead of an ad-ridden GPT app.

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Post by lanyard-textile »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #262
lazide wrote: post #174

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Aka you need them deep enough into the trap they can’t escape, before you trigger it.

Can anyone explain to me what ChatGPT does that traps people? I get the value as tools, I like using copilot, but ChatGPT doesn't offer me value that any other LLM can't. Given that everyone is quickly rolling "AI" into their own stuff, I don't see what's ChatGPT's killer app. If anything, I think Gemini is better positioned to capture the general user market.

The branding is so strong and it works well enough (I’d say, according to the perception of most people) that it’s just the first “obvious” choice.

Akin to nobody getting fired for choosing AWS, nobody would think poorly of you using ChatGPT.

I don’t think Claude has that same presence yet.

Google has a reputation for being a risk to develop with, and I think they flopped on marketing for general users. It’s hard to compete with “ChatGPT” where there’s a perceived call to action right in the name; You don’t really know what Gemini is for until it’s explained.

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Post by sumeno »

aurareturn wrote: post #218
swexbe wrote: post #153

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All chat apps look exactly the same and have exactly the same features. The friction is basically non-existent compared to email services, social media, web browsers, &c.

Yet, somehow I've been paying $20/month to ChatGPT for years now and I don't use Claude or Gemini even when they're free or have slightly better models.

Oh well if YOU do something then that's that
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