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Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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Post by dmos62 »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #267
dmos62 wrote: post #204

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And same goes for less technical disciplines too. Adobe, Autodesk, Archicad, etc. It's pretty bad software: expensive, very buggy, poor extensibility, poorly maintained, closed-source, rapid tech debt accumulation requires upgrading your pc every few years. If only a minor percentage of organizations licensing it would instead spend that budget financing an open source project, that would have a very positive effect…

But if students learn some open-source software that doesn’t get used in private industry, will they be able to land a job that’s asking Autodesk et al. knowledge as a requirement?

Look at Blender. No reason why that success can't be repeated.

Re: Can Dutch universities do without Microsoft?

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Post by skirge »

manuel_w wrote: post #66
skirge wrote: post #25

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if we talk beaurocracy EU is very well consolidated: "you can't do that", everyone says consistently.

What exactly is overly bureaucratic in the EU? I as an European get the feeling people usually hate on the EU just because it dares to interfere with local legislation. But that's its job. And usually the EU interferes for a good reason. Usually because member countries falling back to only thinking about themselves and forgetting that we Europeans are in this shit together. > you can't do that It's good that you can…

drugs on street of California is USA's failure. "Country level" blocking is because Brussel didn't said "you should allow this" explicitly.

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Post by saubeidl »

spragl wrote: post #298
saubeidl wrote: post #9

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> "Europe" is, unlike the US, not a single entity It really needs to be, though, that's kind of the crux of it. Federate or die off, it's time to get rid of old tribal thinking. We're all Europeans.

>> "Europe" is, unlike the US, not a single entity > >It really needs to be, though, that's kind of the crux of it. > >Federate or die off, it's time to get rid of old tribal thinking. We're all Europeans. OK, let us play this game... China, Japan, Taiwan and the Koreas "really needs to be" a single entity. Theyre all East Asian. USA, Canada and Mexico "really needs to be" a single entity. Theyre all North Americans.…

China and the US are the two superpowers right now.

Together, they are of about the same scale as a united Europe. If we want to play in the same league as them and not be subjugated by them, uniting is our only way forward.

United we stand, divided we fall.

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Post by econ »

systemtest wrote: post #255
machomaster wrote: post #214

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Often the rule is that one gets the vote in local elections after living for some time, but only citizens can vote in national elections (Parlament, President). This makes sense. If you want to fully participate in a society, you should integrate and become a citizen.

I personally believe that voting should be based on residency, not citizenship. If you live in the country you can vote. If you don’t live in the country you can’t vote. Simple. No taxation without representation.

Representation without taxation seems even more offensive.

But the real joke has to be to vote for laws for others (not you) to be subjected to.

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Post by econ »

systemtest wrote: post #257
econ wrote: post #182

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Having people vote who don't live in the country has always struck me as weird. If you are some place else for say a year or even 10 years it seems a reasonable topic for debate but longer?? Never pay taxes either???

Third generation Turkish immigrants vote for the Turkish elections despite never having set foot in Turkey because of the military draft. Goes to show that voting based on a passport is silly.

Portugal has nearly 9.5% that seems enough for a dedicated party.

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Post by tdrz »

cobbaut wrote: post #291
tdrz wrote: post #289

I read quite a lot of bashing of various national and transnational European institutions for relying so much on US tech. But what about YOU, european? gmail, facebook, instagram, twitter, whatsapp, macbook, iphone, uber, steam etc etc are all working fine for you?

European from Antwerp here. I only use two of those, and see more and more of my friends migrate away from some, albeit slowly.

I (also European), for one, find it virtually impossible to convince people to give up on most of those.

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Post by arianvanp »

tokioyoyo wrote: post #267
dmos62 wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And same goes for less technical disciplines too. Adobe, Autodesk, Archicad, etc. It's pretty bad software: expensive, very buggy, poor extensibility, poorly maintained, closed-source, rapid tech debt accumulation requires upgrading your pc every few years. If only a minor percentage of organizations licensing it would instead spend that budget financing an open source project, that would have a very positive effect…

But if students learn some open-source software that doesn’t get used in private industry, will they be able to land a job that’s asking Autodesk et al. knowledge as a requirement?

It's not the job of a university to prepare you for the workplace. That's the job of the workplace. I'm sick of industry outsourcing their jobs to public institutions.

It's the job of a university to teach cutting edge research

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Post by einpoklum »

jetbalsa wrote: post #262
einpoklum wrote: post #235

> Can they do without Microsoft, however? Can they work without Office, Outlook, Teams and OneDrive? FOSS to the rescue: * LibreOffice, instead of MS Office. * Thunderbird, instead of Outlook (even though I don't like the direction Thunderbird has been going). * NextCloud, instead of one drive (and there are other alternatives, more FOSS-friendly or less so) * Matrix/IRC client plus Jitsi, instead of Teams. and they…

What email server are they going to use? what about anti-spam / anti-malware in there. and compliance... oh my compliance

> What email server are they going to use?

Same one they were using before I would think. Nobody said they were using MS Exchange server.

> and compliance... oh my compliance

Is that a magic word? :-) ... Compliance with what?

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Post by tester756 »

mejutoco wrote: post #299
tester756 wrote: post #237

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Visual Studio is world class IDE, C# is one of the better designed languages and ecosystems, Windows is everywhere - from home, to enterprise.

X is great; Y is great; Z is everywhere! Probably not intended, but had to laugh a bit at that.

I meant people often complain that unis do not teach them things that are useful in "real world"

Windows indeed is real world.

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Post by tester756 »

taurath wrote: post #243
tester756 wrote: post #237

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Visual Studio is world class IDE, C# is one of the better designed languages and ecosystems, Windows is everywhere - from home, to enterprise.

Looks like your education was well received if you went to those uni's!

I didnt!
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