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PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Built my son's first gaming PC 2 months ago. Figured it would be cheaper around Black Friday, but the prices were reasonable enough that we didn't wait. Turned out to be a huge savings to buy that fast DDR5 in September.

I wanted to build a gaming PC around summer, to be able play with my son, but I postponed it for no real reason. I built this PC a 2 weeks ago, so instead of paying 250 pln (~$70 usd) for 32 GB RAM, I paid 899 pln (~$250). Now, exactly the same RAM costs 1099 pln (~$300).

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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> Manufacturers don't actually want too many extremely long term contracts because it would limit their ability to respond to market price changes. I don't agree with this sentence. Why would not the same apply advice to oil and gas contracts? If you look at the size and duration of oil and gas contracts for major energy importers, they often run 10 years or more. Some of the contracts in Japan and Korea are so large…

> Except silicon, power, and water (and a tiny amount of plastic/paper for packaging), what else does a fab need that only produces DRAM? If true, then power is far and away the most variable input cost. Borrowing costs can be wildly variable and are the main cost of making silicon. All the "inputs" over the lifecycle of a fab are so completely dwarfed by the initial capital costs that you can pretty much ignore them…

This theory sounds nice, but do you have any sources to share? For example, I assume a fab runs for about 20-30 years. The labor inputs must be very high over this period. Basically, there are no poorly paid people inside a fab. And wouldn't "wildly variable borrowing costs" also affect oil and gas who need to finance the research phase and construction of the plant?

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Many apps support buying fractional shares. You don't have to be rich to buy shares in public companies.

It's only meaningful if you have enough disposable income to invest that it eventually (and I don't mean in 50 years) makes a dent against your living expenses. If you make $4k/mo and rent is $3k, it's pretty silly to state that it's a meaningful thing for someone to scrimp and invest $100/mo into a brokerage account. They definitely should do this, but it's not going to have any meaningful impact on their life for d…

If you contribute $1k per month for 10 years earning 6% you would have $162k.

5% of that would be $8100.

Is $48k / year a typical income?

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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> moving to an appropriate place like under a bridge or something? Pardon the hyperbole, but you would have to assume people with no disposable income are idiots in order to suggest that solution.

Or at their parent's house or going to find roommates. If you can't afford to move out by yourself than you shouldn't do it if you want to be financially responsible.

You look like the same kind of person who will complain that people won't have children nowadays.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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Hardware is faster, but the "abstraction tax" is higher than ever.

As someone currently fighting to shave megabytes off a C++ engine, it hurts my soul to see a simple chat app (Electron) consume 800MB just to idle. We spent the last decade using Moore's Law to subsidize lazy garbage collection, five layers of virtualization, and shipping entire web browsers as application runtimes. The computer is fast, but the software is drowning it.

Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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> This AI movement seems to move things in the opposite direction, in that us plebeians have less and less access to RAM, computing power and food and...uh...GPUs to play Cyberpunk; and are dependent on Altermanic aristocracy to dribble compute onto us at their leisure and for a hefty tithe. Compute is cheaper than ever. The ceiling is just higher for what you can buy. Yes, we have $2000 GPUs now. You don't have to b…

The thing about being annoyed about the top of the range prices, for me, it irritates as it feels like it drags the lower models prices upwardsz

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Re: PS5 now costs less than 64GB of DDR5 memory. RAM jumps to $600 due to shortage

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none of those finished products come out of the ground that way.

Neither do chips, even if they all start as silicon from the ground. What the earlier comment was saying is that the actual composition of crude oil varies by location so you aren't necessarily getting the same ratio of finished products at the process. With silicon you have a bit more control over what goes into the fab. But you're still at the mercy of demand from the market.

The crude composition defines a range of possible products, not exactly ratios. Longer chain hydrocarbons are also cracked to yield more light products.

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Excluding a few poorly-optimized recent releases, what games can't run on like a 3070?

3070 isn't mid range. Low end is ryzen integrated graphics now, xx60 is mid range at best. Maybe even xx50 if those still exist.

> xx60 is mid range at best. Maybe even xx50 if those still exist

"It's mid range if it exists" doesn't make sense.

Also you're missing that they're talking about 3070, a card from 2020 (5 years ago), 2 generations behind this year's 50xx series. The 30xx matters more than the xx70 here. It was an upper midrange card when it came out, and it's solidly midrange for Nvidia's product lineup today. You can have cheaper and decent just fine (integrated Ryzens like you mentioned are fine for 1080p gaming on most titles).

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Ding ding ding. What a surprise that a system designed not for human flourishing but pure profit would actually deliver massive profit with no regard for human flourishing. Humanity will have to adopt new human-focused modes of living and organizing society, or else. And climate change is coming along to make sure the owning class can't ignore this fact any longer.

> a system designed not for human flourishing but pure profit But please, don't be coy: tell us about that other system that is designed for "human flourishing" - we're dying to learn about it. Because I grew up under communism and I lived its miserable failures: the non-profit system didn't even manage to feed, cloth or warm/cool us. > new human-focused modes of living and organizing society Oh, these sounds sooo pr…

They didn't say communism was the only other option; this seems like a bad faith reply.

Capitalism increasingly fails to provide well-being to the majority of the global population. It's obvious we need to come up with something else, even if it's not clear yet what shape that will take.

If we can't find an alternative that works, we can also just wind down humanity, and not much of value to the universe will be lost :)

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