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Re: Implications of AI to schools

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Post by ricardobeat »

teekert wrote: post #273
Borealid wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am telling you my own preferences, as a native speaker of English. I would rather read my coworkers' original output in their voice than read someone else's writing (including a machine edit of their own text).

I doubt that very strongly and would like to talk to you again after going though 2 versions (with and without LLM) of my 25-pager to UMC management on HPC and Bioinformatics :) I understand the sentiment, even appreciate it, but there are books that draw you into a story when your eyes hit the paper, and there are books that don't and induce yawning instead (on the same topic). That is a skill issue. Perhaps I shoul…

As they said, they are telling you their preference, there is nothing to doubt.

Recently there was a non-native english speaker heavily using an LLM to review their answers on a Show HN post, and it was incredibly annoying. The author did not realize (because of their lack of skills in the language) but the AI-edited version felt fake and mechanical in tone. In that case yes, the broken original is better because it preserves the humanity of the original answers, mistakes and all.

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Post by nkrisc »

sfdlkj3jk342a wrote: post #232
smileysteve wrote: post #89

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Lol, in 3rd grade algebra, a teacher called 2 of us in for cheating. She had us take the test again, I got the same exact horribly failing score (a 38%) and the cheater got a better score, so the teacher then knew who the cheater was. He just chose the wrong classmate to cheat of of.

I know the US has fallen behind in math, but where are you taking algebra in 3rd grade? We didn't get it until 8th..

My son is learning algebra in 2nd grade. They don’t call it “algebra” yet nor mention “variables”, but they’re working on questions like solving “4 + ? = 9”.

He just goes to our local public elementary school.

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Post by j45 »

respondo2134 wrote: post #128
j45 wrote: post #38

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I think it means every time AI is used, it will detect it 80% of the time. Not that 20% of the class will marked as using AI.

you're missing out on the false positives though; catching 80% of cheaters might be acceptable but 20% false positives (not the same thing as 20% of the class) would not be acceptable. AI generated content and plagarism are completely different detection problems.

For sure.

False positives with technology that is non-deterministic is guaranteed.

It's more than slightly comedic people being amazed when LLM math works as it's created to.

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Post by CivBase »

> the majority of grading has to shift to in-class work (instead of at-home assignments)

My wife is a teacher. He school did this a long time ago, long before AI. But they also gave every kid a laptop and forced the teachers to move all tests/assignments to online applications with the curriculum picked out by the administrators (read as: some salesperson talked them into it). Even with assignments done in class, it's almost impossible to catch kids using AI when they're all on laptops all the time and she can't teach and monitor them all at the same time.

Bring back pencil and paper. Bring back calculators. Internet connected devices do not belong in the classroom.

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Post by BeFlatXIII »

alpinisme wrote: post #293
somenameforme wrote: post #203

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I wouldn't mind seeing education return to its roots of being about learning instead of credentialization. In an age where having a degree is increasingly meaningless in part due to many places simply becoming thinly veiled diploma treadmills (which are somehow nonetheless accredited), this is probably more important than ever. This is doubly so if the AI impact extremists end up being correct. So why is the issue yo…

In a world where some but not all programs are “diploma treadmills,” you would expect that the reputation of the bad credentials would go down and the good credentials would go up. In some sense if the credentials were really being used (and not just as a perfunctory first pass elimination), you’d expect the most elite programs to have the highest signal to noise ratio. But the market doesn’t seem to respond to chang…

In the US, it's also because there are so many options that it's not feasible to have a clear ranking of schools outside of the extreme ends of the spectrum.

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Post by _vqpz »

apwell23 wrote: post #279
ubj wrote: post #7

One of my students recently came to me with an interesting dilemma. His sister had written (without AI tools) an essay for another class, and her teacher told her that an "AI detection tool" had classified it as having been written by AI with "100% confidence". He was going to give her a zero on the assignment. Putting aside the ludicrous confidence score, the student's question was: how could his sister convince the…

> how could his sister convince the teacher she had actually written the essay herself? She can't because she didn't write the essay herself, obviously.

You joke but I would be willing to bet this is actually the case.

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Post by cameronh90 »

singpolyma3 wrote: post #285
teekert wrote: post #226

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Yeah, this, but also as an adult; When you are a non-native speaker and you use AI to make things more concise and correct. The detector will go off. People may find some wording "AI-ish" (even though I replaced em-dashes with commas and told it to "avoid American waiter-like enthusiasm"). My reaction is: Ok. you want my original? Which is much harder to read and uses 2x the amount of words? Fine. I mean, what is the…

I routinely see people accuse any writing they don't like the style or as being AI generated. There is no possible evidence for this being the case, pple are just dicks.

I've intentionally changed my writing style to be less AI-like due to people thinking I'm just pasting my emails from ChatGPT.

Perhaps it's an artifact of LLMs being trained on terabytes of autistic internet commenters like me. Maybe being detected as AI by Turnitin even has some diagnostic value.

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Post by renegade-otter »

swapnilt wrote: post #290

The framing here is typically optimistic. Three years in, we're seeing AI primarily used for homework completion (defeating the stated purpose of learning) and administrative busywork. The real implication isn't 'personalized learning'—it's credential devaluation. If every student can produce 'their own' essays with AI assistance, how do we distinguish actual capability? The schools adopting AI fastest are ironically…

It's like a Meta interview - it's not "can you program", it's "can you make AI to program for you?". Basically, an AI operator.

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Post by teekert »

ricardobeat wrote: post #301
teekert wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that very strongly and would like to talk to you again after going though 2 versions (with and without LLM) of my 25-pager to UMC management on HPC and Bioinformatics :) I understand the sentiment, even appreciate it, but there are books that draw you into a story when your eyes hit the paper, and there are books that don't and induce yawning instead (on the same topic). That is a skill issue. Perhaps I shoul…

As they said, they are telling you their preference, there is nothing to doubt. Recently there was a non-native english speaker heavily using an LLM to review their answers on a Show HN post, and it was incredibly annoying. The author did not realize (because of their lack of skills in the language) but the AI-edited version felt fake and mechanical in tone. In that case yes, the broken original is better because it…

Ok, well it depends on the context then and the severity of the AIness (which I always try to reduce in the prompt, sometimes I’ll ask it to maintain my own style for example).

You know maybe it is annoying for native speakers to pick up subtle AI signals, but for non-natives it can be annoying to find the correct words that express what you want to say as precisely as in your mother tongue. So don’t judge too much. It’s an attempt at better communication as well.

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