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Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Re: Three Years from GPT-3 to Gemini 3

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

Herring wrote: post #295
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #291

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Ok, so then look at teacher salary by country: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/teacher-s... We're higher paying than a number of countries with higher cost of living that (whether fairly or unfairly) pay lower than us. I stand by my assertion. I don't think our per pupil spending is the major bottleneck in our performance. I think our educational system needs fundamental reform (just like everythin…

You need a different analysis. Maybe more like this https://www.census.gov/library/visualizations/interactive/te... Or this: > While U.S. teachers make 58% of their counterparts’ salaries, Finnish teachers make 92% of the salaries of similarly educated professions. This trend follows with other countries ranked highly in the World Happiness Report. Teachers in Denmark (ranked #2 in World Happiness) make 81% of their…

I mean, I don't deny that teachers are paid less compared to other fields, but that is actually pretty universal among occupations that provide the worker with a higher sense of purpose. You can see the same thing in social work, the non profit sector and elsewhere. Whether that's truly just is an entirely different question than 'is there a direct relationship between teacher pay and student achievement' and looking at all other sources I've provided, there clearly is not.

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Post by oblio »

bergheim wrote: post #256
oblio wrote: post #168

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I guess you haven't been in enough group chats. There's a reason it has dedicated emoji button with GIFs, avatars, stickers.

Which is, of course, not how people primarily communicate on WhatsApp (or any communication based app). People don't send streams of videos to each other in group chats. They write text and add gif memes.

I would send a semi funny emoji riddled message but HN won't let me, for obvious reasons.

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Post by krainboltgreene »

brightball wrote: post #298
krainboltgreene wrote: post #283

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It's incredibly unfair that you get to just lie online or worse that you actually believe what you're saying.

What exactly is the lie? US is 5th globally in spending per student. I actually thought it was #1 and initially said that but then corrected it after double checking.

Literally look at any education chart and it's straight up better than wage growth for the last 70 years.

Further, the statement is about as nuanced as "the universe is just atoms". For example, I come from New Orleans where since Katrina they have effectively been 100% Charter schools (that's privatized). It has been a total disaster as not only did it not change literally any statistic for the better, it totally wrecked the local policy atmosphere. Now that shit is in 30 other states. Those "schools" get the same amount of funding (sometimes more!) and are worse in literally every meaningful measurement for society.

That's the lie.

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Post by throwawaylaptop »

taurath wrote: post #165
throwawaylaptop wrote: post #122

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I date a lot of teachers. My last one was in the San Ramon (CA) Valley School district, she makes about $90k a year at 34 years old. Talking to her basically makes me want to homeschool my kids to make sure someone like her isn't their teacher. Paying teachers more won't do ANYTHING until we become a lot more selective about who gets to become and stay a teacher. It can't be like most government jobs where getting it…

Its interesting to hear you say that you date a lot of teachers while simultaneously holding this view of their level of competence. Or just not the ones you date?

Yes it's possible for a woman to remain single at 30, she isn't that bright. The ones that got married younger probably are a bit smarter.

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Post by throwawaylaptop »

michaelmrose wrote: post #131
throwawaylaptop wrote: post #122

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I date a lot of teachers. My last one was in the San Ramon (CA) Valley School district, she makes about $90k a year at 34 years old. Talking to her basically makes me want to homeschool my kids to make sure someone like her isn't their teacher. Paying teachers more won't do ANYTHING until we become a lot more selective about who gets to become and stay a teacher. It can't be like most government jobs where getting it…

There is so much wrong with this. You cannot judge the class of teachers based on a small sample of your taste in women. You didn't actually communicate anything materially wrong with her. You listed a high income area to make us think teachers are overpaid but we have no insight by default into median income in the area or her qualifications. Lastly its entirely impossible to attract better candidates without more m…

I personally am not of the belief that anyone making under $90k a year is dumb. I believe if you were selective, you could take smart motivated people from other industries that don't pay much but still have smart employees, and have them do a great job teaching.

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Post by tsss »

dickersnoodle wrote: post #293
ammbauer wrote: post #183

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> It's done a lot of math for me that I couldn't have done on my own (without days of research), Isn't the point of doing the master's thesis that you do the math and research, so that you learn and understand the math and research?

Apparently not. This is the most perfect example I've seen of "I can recite it, but I don't understand it so I don't know if it's really right or not" that I've seen in a while.

I do understand it. I just don't have the overview of all the algorithms that LLMs have.

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Post by throwawaylaptop »

suddenlybananas wrote: post #220
throwawaylaptop wrote: post #122

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I date a lot of teachers. My last one was in the San Ramon (CA) Valley School district, she makes about $90k a year at 34 years old. Talking to her basically makes me want to homeschool my kids to make sure someone like her isn't their teacher. Paying teachers more won't do ANYTHING until we become a lot more selective about who gets to become and stay a teacher. It can't be like most government jobs where getting it…

If teachers made as much as half the people on this site, perhaps things would be better. 90k in San Ramon is more or less the median wage [1]. It's not _that_ much money. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Ramon,_California#2020_cen...

When I said government employees make above market, I didn't mean for the general area average.. I meant for the work they do.

Should a city landscape truck driver make $250k because his truck drives around a rich town? No, he should make what other people in this kind of industry make.

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Post by Izikiel43 »

Herring wrote: post #300
Izikiel43 wrote: post #294

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> WA teachers compensated about the same as other similarly educated professionals WA teachers are among the best salaries in the country for being a teacher (within top 5). You start at around 84k$ I think, 90k$+ if you have a masters degree, at least in Seattle, and it can scale up to 150k$ with enough seniority, as well as pension plan. > Hire smart motivated people, pay them well, leave them alone, they’ll figure…

What I'm hearing is "teachers just outside Seattle are doing great, but inside Seattle and the rest of America, they're really not." That's the local cost of living set by the tech sector.

If you don’t live in downtown nor cap hill, you can find acceptable rents in Seattle, or go further to south Seattle or north.

Seattle rents are very high in specific hip neighborhoods.

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Post by brightball »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #303
brightball wrote: post #298

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What exactly is the lie? US is 5th globally in spending per student. I actually thought it was #1 and initially said that but then corrected it after double checking.

Literally look at any education chart and it's straight up better than wage growth for the last 70 years. Further, the statement is about as nuanced as "the universe is just atoms". For example, I come from New Orleans where since Katrina they have effectively been 100% Charter schools (that's privatized). It has been a total disaster as not only did it not change literally any statistic for the better, it totally wr…

What measurements show the charter schools are worse?

Locals demand charter schools when the existing schools are already failing but the politics of a larger district make it impossible to meaningfully change anything.

It’s been a couple of years since I looked into Louisiana’s charters. When I last looked most of what I saw was political propaganda (from both proponents and opponents).

EDIT: I looked into it. Charters appear to experience the same performance spread (approximately) as district schools where negative performance is primarily associated with poverty.

And that makes the point…school funding is not the problem. The environment outside of school for the child is the problem. Pumping money into the schools isn’t going to get the benefit because it can’t affect outside factors. Money is better allocated elsewhere.

Relevant excerpt:

> Older studies align with this nuance: A 2013 analysis found 86% of Louisiana charters outperforming peers in reading/math, with spillover benefits. But a 2023 legislative audit linked poor results to poverty—71% of students are economically disadvantaged statewide, and concentrations above 80% predict lower scores. Notably, 85 of 138 rated charters earned D’s or F’s, and some high performers enrolled fewer low-income students than legally required.

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawaylaptop wrote: post #304
taurath wrote: post #165

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Its interesting to hear you say that you date a lot of teachers while simultaneously holding this view of their level of competence. Or just not the ones you date?

Yes it's possible for a woman to remain single at 30, she isn't that bright. The ones that got married younger probably are a bit smarter.

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