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Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by wara23arish »

mcny wrote: post #269
andrepd wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately the reality in Gaza is way more severe than the reality in Ukraine in nearly every conceivable metric: deaths, famine, buildings destroyed, farms, schools, hospitals, journalists killed, shortages (by blockade) of essential goods... And Ukraine is a massive war with over a million casualties, so imagine that.

Just the fact that there is now a whole generation of children who have missed over two years of school. One child missing two years of school is already a tragedy. A whole generation missing school, starving, under constant risk of violence and death, this is the first thing I think of when I think of Gaza. I'm not even a Palestine "supporter" but I will not longer support the state of Israel for any reason, even if…

a lot of these kids are missing limbs, it breaks my heart

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Post by smt88 »

pksebben wrote: post #270

TIL what the green names mean on HN (new account). I once worked in an Information Operations group. It has left me deeply suspicious of the verisimilitude of online personae. One of the things I appreciate about HN is the ability to check whether I'm talking to a human, and whether they have a cohesive sentiment.

Mods do their best here, but there's no way to check whether you're talking to a human (on HN or any other digital messaging service)

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

breppp wrote: post #192
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #153

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I am not sure about your source. It looks like it is biased and promotes falsehoods: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ngo-monitor-bias/ > Overall, we rate the NGO Monitor Right biased based on support for the right-wing Israeli government. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting based on the consistent promotion of pro-Israeli propaganda.

maybe, even though NGO monitor is not associated with a terrorist organization , however that's still a photo, unless you claim it is doctored or the people themselves are not the people purported. That's why we can go to the original in Facebook and see the chairman of EuroMed tagged, https://www.facebook.com/DrArafatShoukri/photos/t.1000537951...

> NGO monitor is not associated with a terrorist organization

The link I provided shows that this is not true: they seem to be biased towards a terrorist organization that is currently perpetrating a genocide.

> that's still a photo

Someone being in a photo doesn't disprove what OP said. Maybe you can dispute OP's factual statements with factual statements from a source that isn't aligned with a genocidal terrorist organization?

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

UltraSane wrote: post #235
clanky wrote: post #147

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Hamas is killing traitors from criminal gangs who aligned with Israel during the conflict in the hopes of getting their 30 pieces of silver.

Hamas supporters like you really make my skin crawl. Remember when they massacred hundreds of people at a concert and paraded the body of a young German woman they murdered like a hunting trophy? Is that what you support?

If you're criticized by someone who supports israel's terroristic raping, torturing, killing, and genocide of innocent civilians, that's a strong indication that you're in the right, since they're in the wrong.

The critic can pretend to be as offended as much as they want, but since they're supporting israel's terroristic raping, torturing, killing, and genocide of innocent civilians (an act far worse than the one they're criticizing), the criticism rings hollow: they don't actually care about innocent civilians, only about their "side" getting everything it wants.

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Post by UltraSane »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #304
UltraSane wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hamas supporters like you really make my skin crawl. Remember when they massacred hundreds of people at a concert and paraded the body of a young German woman they murdered like a hunting trophy? Is that what you support?

If you're criticized by someone who supports israel's terroristic raping, torturing, killing, and genocide of innocent civilians, that's a strong indication that you're in the right, since they're in the wrong. The critic can pretend to be as offended as much as they want, but since they're supporting israel's terroristic raping, torturing, killing, and genocide of innocent civilians (an act far worse than the one th…

No sane person is "pretending" to be offended by the despicable actions of Hamas on Oct 7 2023. Even if Israel is committing war crimes (a reasonable position to argue), that doesn't make Hamas not a totalitarian theocracy that kills its opponents. These facts can coexist. Refusing to acknowledge Hamas's nature while condemning Israel's actions isn't moral clarity it's selective blindness.You're claiming moral authority to dismiss criticism by asserting I support worse actions committed by Israel, while simultaneously excusing far worse actions by Hamas. This is just "whataboutism" and it just attempts to silence criticism through tu quoque reasoning. This means neither side's conduct gets properly examined. Massacring concert-goers, taking civilian hostages, and using rape as a weapon of war are either categorically wrong or they're not. If Israel's killing of civilians delegitimizes its supporters' moral standing, then Hamas's deliberate targeting of civilians on Oct 7 2023 equally delegitimizes yours. You can't claim the moral high ground while excusing incredibly evil actions when they are committed by Hamas. You remind me strongly of Trump supporters who support him when he does exactly the same things they criticized Obama and Biden for doing.

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

UltraSane wrote: post #305
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're criticized by someone who supports israel's terroristic raping, torturing, killing, and genocide of innocent civilians, that's a strong indication that you're in the right, since they're in the wrong. The critic can pretend to be as offended as much as they want, but since they're supporting israel's terroristic raping, torturing, killing, and genocide of innocent civilians (an act far worse than the one th…

No sane person is "pretending" to be offended by the despicable actions of Hamas on Oct 7 2023. Even if Israel is committing war crimes (a reasonable position to argue), that doesn't make Hamas not a totalitarian theocracy that kills its opponents. These facts can coexist. Refusing to acknowledge Hamas's nature while condemning Israel's actions isn't moral clarity it's selective blindness.You're claiming moral author…

> No sane person is "pretending" to be offended by the despicable actions of Hamas on Oct 7 2023

Interesting how your memory starts and stops at that very moment, ignoring israel's terroristic hostage-taking, raping, torturing, killing, and genocide, which happened before and after that date, in greater numbers.

To me, that sort of whataboutism when deflecting the criticism of israel which was the original topic, indicates the speaker doesn't actually care about innocent civilians, unless they are israeli. Indeed, refusing to acknowledge israel's nature while trying to redirect to someone else's actions is selective blindness.

Massacring children, taking civilian hostages, using rape as a weapon of war, engaging in war crimes, engaging in crimes against humanity, and engaging in genocide (all of which israel did and is doing) are either categorically wrong or they're not, regardless of what you think of hamas or any other 3rd party.

You can't claim the moral high ground while excusing incredibly evil actions when they are committed by israel (actions which are even more incredibly evil than those of hamas). You remind me strongly of trump supporters who support him when he does exactly the same things, and much worse things, than those they criticized Obama and Biden for doing.

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Post by soulofmischief »

nandomrumber wrote: post #284
soulofmischief wrote: post #272

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You're not going to justify colonial genocide with whataboutism. It wasn't OK when the US did it and then called natives savages as a defense for our inhuman treatment of them, and it's not OK now that Israel is doing it. No amount of whining about Hamas will change that, especially considering Netanyahu openly funded Hamas through Qatar. You act like this conflict hasn't been perpetuated for decades. It's manufactur…

I’m not interested in condemning Israel’s actions. What radicalised me was inadvertently catching ten seconds of the killings at that Israeli dance music festival / bush doof. Palestinians could put Hamas down in an afternoon, if they wanted to. Whatever it takes.

Lol. This same mentality is professed by those you wish to condemn. You reveal yourself to be no better than the monsters you seek to destroy. You're willing to kill civilian women and children and men in order to do it.

You're willing to blame a people for the actions of a terrorist government that Israel/Netanyahu themselves propped up, something you didn't even bother to deny.

You're an absolute joke. Your consent is manufactured, and you're so lazy and brainwashed that you don't even care that you're a pawn.

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Post by nunobrito »

derbOac wrote: post #62
hidden80 wrote: post #42

Like Briar?

I was wondering about Briar... seems maybe like reinventing the same thing over again although I assume there's some important functional difference I'm not thinking of.

Briar requires manual pairing with users for some odd reason. Doesn't make sense and makes it unusable outside a family context.

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Post by Cabal »

colanderman wrote: post #58
kpcyrd wrote: post #40

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I looked into Meshtastic a while ago and they use AES with no authentication tags. Also decryption happens on the LoRa device, which is a lot easier to crack with physical access compared to my phone. Even if you delete the messages it's still possible to decrypt sniffed LoRa traffic if, at some point in the future, one device gets captured. I'd rather the protocol gets updated so the crypto key can stay on the phone…

Agreed – and MeshCore follows a similar "security on the radio" design. With the "cell phone + companion radio" setup which is currently very popular, it would seem the correct solution is to perform encryption on the phone – using the Signal protocol – and use the companion radio only to send/receive these blobs. This has the added benefit that you can pair with _any_ arbitrary companion radio, rather than your iden…

Many radios don't have "a phone".

Re: Bitchat for Gaza – messaging without internet

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Post by UltraSane »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #306
UltraSane wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No sane person is "pretending" to be offended by the despicable actions of Hamas on Oct 7 2023. Even if Israel is committing war crimes (a reasonable position to argue), that doesn't make Hamas not a totalitarian theocracy that kills its opponents. These facts can coexist. Refusing to acknowledge Hamas's nature while condemning Israel's actions isn't moral clarity it's selective blindness.You're claiming moral author…

> No sane person is "pretending" to be offended by the despicable actions of Hamas on Oct 7 2023 Interesting how your memory starts and stops at that very moment, ignoring israel's terroristic hostage-taking, raping, torturing, killing, and genocide, which happened before and after that date, in greater numbers . To me, that sort of whataboutism when deflecting the criticism of israel which was the original topic, in…

"in greater numbers."

Prove it

Hamas's explicit goal is the destruction of Israel and creating an Islamic state to replace it. Do you support this? What is your ideal solution to the conflict?

Hamas is essentially a less ambitious ISIS. Hamas similarities to ISIS:

-Sunni Islamist organizations seeking Sharia-based states

-Totalitarian control in their territories

-Systematic killing of political opponents and "collaborators"

-Rejection of democratic governance

-Religious police and morality enforcement

-Deliberate targeting of civilians as strategy

-Suppression of media and free expression

-Use of torture and extrajudicial execution

Not a great moral wagon to hitch yourself to

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