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Re: .NET 10

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Post by DarkNova6 »

nicoburns wrote: post #210
jitbit wrote: post #2

For us, every .NET upgrade since .NET 5 has gone surprisingly smoothly and reduced CPU/RAM usage by 10–15%. We were even able to downgrade our cloud servers to smaller instances, literally. I wish .NET was more popular among startups, if only C# could get rid of the "enterpisey" stigma.

> I wish .NET was more popular among startups, if only C# could get rid of the "enterpisey" stigma. I tried .NET and liked C# as a language. But even though the language and runtime are now open source, it seemed like a lot of the recommended libraries were still commercially licensed, which was an immediate nope from me. I've never encountered that in any other ecosystem.

Silly question. If you want the C# experience but more community/OSS driven… why not Java?

Re: .NET 10

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Post by MarkSweep »

formerly_proven wrote: post #283
MarkSweep wrote: post #269

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The .NET debugging extension (SOS) is not Windows only, it supports LLDB on Linux in addition to WinDbg: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/diagnostics/de...

License: https://www.nuget.org/packages/dotnet-debugger-extensions/9.... > a. Data Collection. The software may collect information about you and your use of the software, and send that to Microsoft. Microsoft may use this information to provide services and improve our products and services. You may opt-out of many of these scenarios, but not all, as described in the software documentation. There are also some featu…

Yes, the restrictive license they place on their debugging components is frankly bizarre.

Re: .NET 10

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Post by neonsunset »

DarkNova6 wrote: post #301
nicoburns wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wish .NET was more popular among startups, if only C# could get rid of the "enterpisey" stigma. I tried .NET and liked C# as a language. But even though the language and runtime are now open source, it seemed like a lot of the recommended libraries were still commercially licensed, which was an immediate nope from me. I've never encountered that in any other ecosystem.

Silly question. If you want the C# experience but more community/OSS driven… why not Java?

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Re: .NET 10

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Post by larrik »

oaiey wrote: post #3
jitbit wrote: post #2

For us, every .NET upgrade since .NET 5 has gone surprisingly smoothly and reduced CPU/RAM usage by 10–15%. We were even able to downgrade our cloud servers to smaller instances, literally. I wish .NET was more popular among startups, if only C# could get rid of the "enterpisey" stigma.

Can only confirm that. Such a smooth platform overall for web and API development. We use it with several 100 devs on it and the choice never failed us, neither in technology or hiring. And it is not that we have .NET gurus or anything.

As a counter-point, my company was original purely .NET, then added Python (and later JS).

For us, hiring .NET is WAY harder than the other stacks. We get a lot more applicants in general, but almost zero that meet our standards. For Python roles we get way fewer applicants, but the average quality is much much higher than the .NET average. (JS is a whole other thing, and we frankly aren't as good at hiring there yet)

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Post by recursive »

balamatom wrote: post #56
oaiey wrote: post #3

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Can only confirm that. Such a smooth platform overall for web and API development. We use it with several 100 devs on it and the choice never failed us, neither in technology or hiring. And it is not that we have .NET gurus or anything.

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> what do they do for fun?

Play in a band, ride bikes, play video games. Sample size of one.

Re: .NET 10

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Post by Lumping6371 »

UK-Al05 wrote: post #213
atraac wrote: post #197

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Those things have nothing to do with C# though, rather than your personal experience with companies that were using it. If I judged every single company i worked at/interacted with, that uses NodeJs, I'd think that every single Node dev is a 13 year old child with no real experience but who think's he's the hottest shit. That has nothing to do with Node and doesn't really describe _all_ the companies out there.

The problem is thats how a lot of .net shop operate. I say this as .net developer. .NET gets selected because a lot of non tech companies need to do software things, and they pick the stack fits in with their current WinTel stack. The main concerns is having replaceable talent to reliably do x. They're not trying to innovate. They are often doing something like sending out insurance quotes by email. They do this by h…

What's skills? Pumping out code ala startup? Sounds like a stable environment. Someone with a good eye will still be able to pick out flaws in the processes/architecture and learn a thing or two.

"The main concern is having replaceable talent to reliably do X" as in every other company?

I swear you guys make having a regular job sound like being under slavery. It's just a job. Some companies are boring, that's just part of the job, and being able to adapt to different environments is what makes a good sde imo.

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Post by sfn42 »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #208
sfn42 wrote: post #40

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> they can onboard people who know anything-not-C# and benefit from the .Net library I don't get this mindset. I'd much rather have the new guy spend a few months getting used to a new language, than have an organization where everyone uses different languages. It's a nightmare a few years down the road when you have 20 different projects in 15 different languages and the people who built them are mostly gone. People…

>> we use .NET for backend and React for frontend. You don't need anything else ... >> sure maybe you have some data science people who need python, This is how it happens though; it's not "let's form a company with 10 developers; don't worry what tools they use!". It's starting with a single problem using common tools, then adding specialized problems where you could still use the same tools but they are not optimiz…

> This is how it happens though

No it isn't. This is not how you end up with 7 different frontend JS frameworks in 7 different web applications. Using python/matlab/r for data science is completely fair. These languages are standard in this field, they have the most tools and built-in functionality for this purpose.

I mean if you want to do ML and data science stuff in C# or whatever go right ahead. If you can make that work that's great. But I also think, as someone who aggressively promotes sticking to one language, that it's fair to use Python for data science.

What I don't condone, as I said, is using multiple tools for the same task. So for example, having one team/dev using Python while another uses Matlab and yet another uses R etc.

> Have you ever worked for a software company before? THis is not how it goes.

Yeah, I know. That's the problem. People just introduce new tech like it's nothing. That's why I'm saying it needs to be a big decision. So if it's really worth it okay let's go for it. But for the vast majority of cases it just isn't.

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Post by vips7L »

dahauns wrote: post #125
thiago_fm wrote: post #65

Changed from Ruby to .NET and loving it. C# is a great language, it's now very modern and has the best parts of Typescript, while leaving out the bad ones. It's also extremely fast and multi-platform. It also doesn't have the fragmentation that Java or JVM langs has. And it's also open source nowadays. I think Sillicon Valley hasn't caught up with those recent changes, I bet more startups would be using C# if they kn…

>and has the best parts of Typescript I really like C#, but I wouldn't go that far - unions are at least on the horizon, but I've sometimes come to miss the power and flexibility of TS's structural typing...(And so has Hejlsberg, apparently, seeing his reasoning for choosing go over C# for tsc :) )

I hope once they introduce unions, they also introduce some sort of error union.

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Post by Lumping6371 »

array_key_first wrote: post #187
mexicocitinluez wrote: post #151

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> culture of C# / Microsoft shops at al What do you mean?

I worked at a Microsoft shop, and this was my experience. 1. Process, process, and more process. Doing anything required layers of management approval. Trivial tasks become month long, or even years long, processes. 2. You have no power or agency. Something is broken? You're a developer, you should be able to fix it right? No. Broken things stay broken. You swim in your lane and keep your head down. Mediocrity is the…

This is just the run of the mill politics you see at every big company (or mid sized one).

I worked at a PHP shop, it was pure mierda. Worst code I've ever seen in my life. Pure incompetency. Does that say anything about PHP shops as a whole?

Re: .NET 10

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Post by wvenable »

nicoburns wrote: post #210
jitbit wrote: post #2

For us, every .NET upgrade since .NET 5 has gone surprisingly smoothly and reduced CPU/RAM usage by 10–15%. We were even able to downgrade our cloud servers to smaller instances, literally. I wish .NET was more popular among startups, if only C# could get rid of the "enterpisey" stigma.

> I wish .NET was more popular among startups, if only C# could get rid of the "enterpisey" stigma. I tried .NET and liked C# as a language. But even though the language and runtime are now open source, it seemed like a lot of the recommended libraries were still commercially licensed, which was an immediate nope from me. I've never encountered that in any other ecosystem.

I will pile on that I don't use any commercial libraries in .NET at all. Ironically, I do purchase a commercial library for front-end JavaScript.

I agree that the commercial library offerings seem much more "in your face" with .NET but I don't find the actual breadth and depth of the free and open source library situation to be that troubling. It certainly continues to get better every year.

.NET is very "batteries included" as well so you don't need a huge base-line of competing open source packages just to do "hello world".

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