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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by bo1024 »

mikkupikku wrote: post #197
wrs wrote: post #80

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The example of Seattle Police dashcam and body camera footage may be interesting. When those things were relatively new, ten years ago or so, someone started filing daily public records requests for footage from all 911 dispatches (among other things). They wanted to build their own database of the theoretically public footage. The SPD complained that the overhead of redacting all that footage would be impossible. Ev…

Redactions are necessary to protect innocent members of the public. Going through all the footage from every officer every single day to perform these redactions would require a huge amount of manpower. That may change with new technology, but until it can be automated reliably, the WA legislature got this right. With shit like traffic cameras, I don't think redactions are necessary, although it would be nice if all…

I think the point is that if the footage is unsafe to release publicly, then it is also unsafe to give cops access without a warrant.

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Post by potato3732842 »

snickerbockers wrote: post #267

So I definitely agree it's a positive development that these cameras are being taken down because they're absolutely orwellian, but I really don't understand why "the line" is being drawn at immigration enforcement? Were people really okay with this until the point where they found out that illegal immigrants can be tracked by the surveillance state too?

I'd like to say that the people who championed them realized that if fedcops can basically arrest their landscaper over what amounts to a civil infraction then it has implications for them. Unfortunately I don't think the people who championed the cameras in the first place have that kind of self awareness and what we're seeing is instead the typically silent majority saying "no, I akshually agree with the privacy people those are bad".

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Post by potato3732842 »

thrance wrote: post #290
np_tedious wrote: post #271

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Wonder why people would take issue with the unqualified, armed, masked thugs abducting innocent people off the street and deporting them without recourse or due process. Must be all about Trump, surely. The only thing defying logic here is the MAGA cult rationalizing away the brown shirts now patrolling the streets of America, they who are supposedly so attached to freedom.

>Wonder why people would take issue with the unqualified, armed, masked thugs abducting innocent people off the street and deporting them without recourse or due process.

Congress can whip up a law making immigration infractions more serious crimes (which comes with better process) and day it chooses.

ICE can send better qualified better trained agents any time it chooses.

They can likewise be more fastidious about who they choose to go after such that far fewer innocents are caught up in it.

Would that make it ok?

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Post by pseudalopex »

pessimizer wrote: post #199
mothballed wrote: post #117

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The lesson learned is that people going to their immigration hearings to stay legal are getting nabbed, and going the legal way is a convoluted recipe for failure. As soon as enforcement lets up an iota the lesson will be it is wiser to stay off paper and off the visa pathway and go underground. People who aren't arrested and don't present to CBP for entry and don't get a visa, as far as the government knows, don't e…

This is not "the legal way." The people going to their immigration hearings to "stay legal" were apprehended as illegal immigrants, invited to come up with an excuse as to why they should be allowed to stay in the country, and released. You'll literally see "apprehension date" on their paperwork. The "legal way" is to apply for that stuff, then enter the country. It's annoying that people elide this. There is an ongo…

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.[1]

[1] https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylu...

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Post by pseudalopex »

snickerbockers wrote: post #266
ElevenLathe wrote: post #165

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Why fill out the right paperwork and actually attend your court dates and immigration hearings if there is a good chance that will result in your extraordinary rendition to some torture prison God-only-knows-where? Much safer to simply stay off the books.

Well ideally you're supposed to have a valid visa before you cross the border. I don't like the idea of the government promising people a path to amnesty and then going back on its word because there's a new administration in town but ultimately the people they're nabbing are in this situation because they already have invalid visas so I don't think it follows that this would discourage people from obtaining visas li…

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.[1]

[1] https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylu...

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by SilverElfin »

helterskelter wrote: post #217

I'm in the PNW and they put Flock cameras up in my area recently. Nobody likes them (libs or cons), and we've seen some rather creative approaches to uh...disabling them. One person took a pipe cutter to the mount and spirited the whole unit away, another apparently fired a shotgun slug through it, somebody else looks like they used it to relieve their anger problems with a metal pipe. Flock cameras, America's bipart…

> Nobody likes them

This seems like an unsupported assumption. Lots of people like them. Anyone who wants policing to be effective and cares about crime / public safety would like them to have the best tools.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by SilverElfin »

thrance wrote: post #287
snickerbockers wrote: post #267

So I definitely agree it's a positive development that these cameras are being taken down because they're absolutely orwellian, but I really don't understand why "the line" is being drawn at immigration enforcement? Were people really okay with this until the point where they found out that illegal immigrants can be tracked by the surveillance state too?

Masked ICE thugs have been abducting citizens, and refusing their victims their due process. Stop acting like you're still ignorant about that.

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Post by sergiomattei »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #170
sergiomattei wrote: post #164

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Deflecting is a fun game, but I won’t play it. I’m challenging your hyperbole here—on the other hand, you’re making assumptions about me. Explain to me how “the entire downtown area is just homeless tents”. By all means bring some proof of Pike Place being “overrun with druggies”. Get real.

Walk from Pike Place Market, 1st and Pike, east up Pike St toward Capitol Hill. Count the number of homeless camps you see sitting on cardboard boxes in the middle of the sidewalks. All along Pike St, 3rd Ave, 4th Ave. And then count the number of SPD officers you see (ignoring the fanny-pack guys handing out naloxone). You'll get it.

I’m so glad you mention “going up Pike towards Capitol Hill” because I live right on the section where Cap Hill & First Hill starts.

My lived experience is that I could walk the length of Pike from Bellevue Ave towards the waterfront and see two-three tents at most. Homeless yes, but encampments? “Overrun”? “Tent city”?

It’s so easy to make hyperbolic statements and a pain to prove them wrong. I can see how you get away with spouting this nonsense—and people believe it.

Let me know if anyone wants a YouTube video or something, I’ll be glad to take a fun evening stroll and prove you wrong.

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Post by pseudalopex »

aerostable_slug wrote: post #63
whatshisface wrote: post #22

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It shouldn't have been installed in the first place, but in real life, sometimes people need a concrete example to realize something others figured out from principles.

There is no concrete example. Nothing actually happened. ICE didn't access the cameras. I feel like I'm the only one who read the article.

The article said University of Washington researchers released a report Oct. 21 showing federal immigration agencies like ICE and Border Patrol had accessed the data of at least 18 Washington cities, often without their police departments’ knowing.

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Post by sergiomattei »

qwerpy wrote: post #173
sergiomattei wrote: post #151

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> The entire downtown area is just homeless camps. This isn’t even remotely close to true. > You can't browse around outside Westlake Center without being bombarded and accosted by aggressive panhandlers. Even the iconic Pike Place Market was overrun with druggies. I live on Pike Street. There’s homeless, but it’s not “overrun” and for the year+half I’ve lived here I haven’t been “accosted by aggressive panhandlers”.…

In general the homeless problem downtown has gotten better but a few hotspots are still bad, notably Chinatown/International District. I used to enjoy taking visitors there until about 5 years ago when a few Asians got their heads bashed in or shot around Chinatown and Belltown. It was a politically inconvenient time to highlight who exactly was attacking Asians, and the issue was swept under the rug. Now we just sta…

I agree, Chinatown/ID took a turn for the worst unfortunately.
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