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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by tucnak »

culi wrote: post #56
omnicognate wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can encrypt anything and store it in anything that provides storage. Why are people acting like "end to end encryption" is a feature you need a cloud service to provide to you. Rather the opposite - it's really something you can only do yourself.

Sure, but almost no one is managing their own keys and knows enough about the various e2ee algorithms to make these decisions on their own. Do you know of a good piece of software or tool that lets a layperson interface with any cloud storage provider?

Sparsebundles

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

cmsj wrote: post #84
thw_9a83c wrote: post #29

From the article: > Otherwise, please make sure you de-Apple, de-Google, and de-American Stack yourself when you have time, clarity, and focus to do it. Start today. I don't understand the core of this advice. So if you're in the UK and do all the above, can you suddenly get similar E2EE cloud storage from a different provider without a UK government-mandated backdoor?

Yes, but you'll have to trust that they haven't been issued a secret government order to implement a backdoor. Not all of those companies will loudly object in the way Apple does.

>Not all of those companies will loudly object in the way Apple does.

This assumes that Apple has loudly objected to every government request for backdoor access and also that they have never acquiesced to any of those requests.

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Post by amake »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #287
Atlas667 wrote: post #282

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They ARE the authoritarian regime. This myth that capitalist perpetuate that the rich are not the government is the best lie out there. The rich are the government. They are the national interests, countries' industries' is their property.

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Your analogy is infinitely more baffling to me than OP's comment.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

reboot81 wrote: post #11

Apple obeys the law. Policians set the law. You vote for politicians. So nu, it makes no sense to blame Apple here.

Wrong or painfully naive. Politics has to deal with realities. If the net wasn't engineered to be resistant to censorship, we probably wouldn't even be talking accross borders right now.

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Post by teiferer »

sethherr wrote: post #255
zmmmmm wrote: post #227

I know this is a tangent but honestly, this is why the Google decision to de-openify Android is insane even from Google's point of view. Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? You just paint a giant target on your back for the authoritarians to come after. If Apple had supported open iCloud alternatives for backup and other services from day one, it woudn't e…

I think the fact that Apple is having to fight this fight is evidence of why they were right to make a secure walled garden. I don’t know of any other service I would recommend my mother use for securely backing up her phone. I think the UK is ultimately going to roll back this law. I don’t think this means that iCloud E2E is hostile to Apple or its users. I think Apple is going to win. The war isn’t won by telling p…

> I think the fact that Apple is having to fight this fight is evidence of why they were right to make a secure walled garden

Would you mind explaining? I don't see how that's evidence.

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Post by rootlocus »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #287
Atlas667 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They ARE the authoritarian regime. This myth that capitalist perpetuate that the rich are not the government is the best lie out there. The rich are the government. They are the national interests, countries' industries' is their property.

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I fail to see the point you're trying to make or the argumentative process by which you're trying to make it.

Consider this: the current administration has received gifts from private corporations in return for more lenient tariffs. Or consider the amount of law projects passed through congress directly from large corporations with their logo still on the paper. And this is just the blatant tip of the iceberg the current administration is brazen enough to show publicly.

> absolutely baffling to you and which probably makes a hundred obvious counter-arguments pop up in your head.

I can probably find a hundred obvious examples of conflict of interests, quid-pro-quos, or otherwise pro-corporation anti-consumer for any administration in history. But in the end, the proof is in the pudding. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, while the government is issuing gold cards with the president's face on them for multi-millionaires to bring their business.

I'd be glad to hear a few of those hundred obvious counter-arguments.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by fastball »

I don't understand. Apple is being forced to disable E2EE due to UK legislation. This legislation does not just apply to Apple, so presumably any service you switch to (e.g. Proton was suggested in the article) will be subject to such orders as well.

Seems like it is time to de-Britain, rather than de-Apple.

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Post by fastball »

cmsj wrote: post #85
advisedwang wrote: post #32

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The actual straightforward fix isn't available to us - namely, we aren't due a general election until 2029 and right now the "good guys" are in power, so it's not at all clear that anyone would even offer to reverse this TCN if they were elected instead, in 4 years time.

> and right now the "good guys" are in power, so

So close and yet so far.

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