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NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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Here in MA there is a 'bell to bell' phone ban bill in the works. I'm very happy we're letting kids be kids again. There is no need for a phone during the school day.

>> There is no need for a phone during the school day I see you don't have kids yourself. You need to sync up with them when after-school plans change.

Sigh. Tell me, is "after-school" during the school day or after? Because I would argue that "after-school" is, you know, after school.

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> But we have just encountered one of the rare times where something new actually was harmful. Next let's ban kids from social media. Or better yet, let's tax social media as a negative externality. Anything with an algorithmic feed, engagement algorithm, commenting/voting/banning, all hooked up to advertising needs to pay to fix the harm it's causing. They're about as bad as nicotine and lung cancer. They've taken p…

> Chatbots [are] going to remain niche for quite some time. > iPhone immediately caught on like wild fire. > I'm not saying there won't be users, but it's a much smaller population. The facts say you're wrong about this. The adoption rate for the iPhone was slow. There were only 1.4 million iPhones sold in its first year,[1] whereas there were 100 million weekly active ChatGPT users in its first year.[2] ChatGPT is n…

It's my fault for lumping tools like ChatGPT into the bin of "chatbots" that people - mostly kids - are sexting and forming intimate relationships with. In my mind, the latter are "chat" apps.

ChatGPT and Claude have incredible utility, whereas Character.ai-type chatbots are much less certain. I can't fathom trying to spend more than a few minutes talking to them since they have so many shortcomings.

I don't consider ChatGPT a chatbot because my inquiries tend to match my usage of Google Search. It's a search tool.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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I’d like to know what happens to cell phone use after school lets out. Are these students more likely to spend the rest of the day online? I could also see it going the other way. And if that’s the case, Cardozo is one of the first cell rehabs for students. Terrific to see!

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> Enakshi Barua, 14, said she’s also opposed to the ban, on principle. Barua said. "I feel like the trust isn’t there between the students and teachers." > staff members are collecting around 30 contraband phones a day > There’s a strike system with escalating punishments

Does not sound good.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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I don't see how a loud lunch break is good in any way

It means your in a large room with a lot of people talking to each other. It's not a fine dining experience where people whisper. It's a social place. The social aspect was taken out of the experience, which is vital to development. The "loud" (meaning, it's not quiet) aspect is not a negative. It's not a "lunch break" for adults to go decompress from the stress at work. If kids want quiet for studying, they can hit their school library, or other places for solitude and tranquility. It's about younger people actually communicating and discussing what is going on in the day, their life, after school, hobbies, interests, relationships, etc.. Imagine going to a playground where there are 100 children. None of them are making a sound. That would be a scary sign. You should hear kids laughing, screaming, crying... experiencing social engagement. People are being isolated from each other because they are becoming "addicted" to screens and short media formats. We are training our brains for instant gratification, but there is no retention or learning going on. Younger people aren't learning how to communicate directly with others. Without these engagements we hobble our development of things like empathy. How to control our emotions with others. It's damaging for all.

That's my take.

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> In the cafeteria, Ryan Tripathi, 16, was paging through “Lord of the Flies,” which he said is slow-going. “I'm just not used to reading,” he said. “I’m usually on my phone.” Damn, that hits pretty hard.

I've barely read a book in the last 5 years. I actually don't think I've finished one. I read ALL the time when I was a teenager.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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I think it will eventually settle into a net positive - we're just in the Wild West of smartphones still. I try to use my phone less and less but as someone who loves photography the ability to take a raw photo and edit on my phone is amazing.

I think it won't automatically settle in a good state. We need to actively work towards it. Phones obviously have many useful and beneficial functions, photography, phone calls, etc. It's the engagement hacking from social media primarily which has broken society.

More cynically, I think some people will need to actively work towards it, and then other people will say "see it happened automatically".

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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America has an entire political party who runs a party line that unregulated businesses will naturally do what's "best" because of "free market mumble mumble". They even sometimes outright insist that "best" in that context means "best for humans and society", and that any attempt to constrain that will be Communism and cause all of society to collapse. >What's best for society is a collection of rational, intelligen…

> the higher fraud claim is just false and probably a lie, ask me how I know! How do you know? :)

Our business is one of the most straightforward ways to turn a stolen credit card into usable money for a fraudster. I know what our fraud rates are. At no point has any payment processor cared at all about a payment flow with high fraud. At most, they will charge us a tiny bit more money to service those transactions.

Credit Card companies do not care about chargebacks, as long as you don't substantially hurt consumer goodwill. They get their money back from the merchant, and every successful chargeback is a reminder to consumers of how credit cards will protect you. A false chargeback would also be unlikely to harm consumer confidence in that protection, since the consumer knows they weren't defrauded.

We know Ashley Madison had millions of paying subscribers. The idea that porn websites have "Higher fraud rates" entirely comes from the unstated assumption that porn consumers will chargeback their payment, and this claim is not justified. Consumers do not make a habit of making false chargeback claims, it just isn't substantiated in the data. We also have substantial evidence that lots of people want to genuinely pay for porn, and will pay significant amounts.

If 1 out of every 5 people who paid for pornhub tried to do a chargeback, that would not be a payment stream the credit card processor would be bothered by.

Meanwhile, the facts on the ground are that there is a fundamentalist religious organization formerly known as Media Matters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Center_on_Sexual_Expl... who have been working since at least the Nixon administration to ban things like sex toys from sale, to ban sex education, to stop same sex marriage legalization, to prevent the decriminalization of sex work. They were part of LBJ's commission on obscenity and pornography. They asked Reagan to ban pornography in 1983. They are significantly responsible for the large media blitz in 2020 that demonstrated that pornhub had a genuine problem with things like revenge porn and underage porn that lead to pornhub deleting 90% of their content, which frankly is a good thing, but they are demonstrably and openly not out to help sex workers or keep porn safe, but rather to kill it. Their official stance is that porn is a public health crisis. They were one of the principle supporters behind FOSTA, a bill that most sex workers insisted would make their jobs less safe.

Why is there a popular, trite, completely unsubstantiated narrative that is super popular on places like reddit for how porn companies lost the ability to take payments despite open and direct and admitted actions by an organization that has openly worked for decades to ban porn who helped sue porn companies? Gee, I wonder why.

Meanwhile, two months ago, the stepson of the chairman of that very organization was charged for child porn, so you know, the standard religious right style of "We have to protect the children" while literally abusing children.

Notably, the recent spat with getting some really, uh, """Niche""" adult oriented games off steam was not (at least, publicly, but this is not an accusation) done by them, but an unaffiliated Australian organization that has a better track record of doing what they claim. Steam also is still selling lots of porn games.

Re: NY school phone ban has made lunch loud again

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I couldn't disagree more. And it was the one thing that surprised me every time we cracked open a new book. "All Quiet on the Western Front" sounded terrible to a 14 year old me, but after starting it, I couldn't put it down. Same with Lord of the Flies. Fahrenheit 451. The Giver. I loved Animal Farm. And the Great Gatsby (though I get people not liking this one). The Outsiders was good. The Old man and the Sea was p…

You liked all of those at 14? We lived completely different youths :) No lasers or dragons -> I skipped the book at that age. Today-me would agree with you about all those books, teenage me would not.

I loved those books when I was younger (still do). They're good stories regardless of age. Lord of the flies is about a bunch of young kids having to play real life survival after a plane crash and devolve into some pretty crazy people during it. How could that be boring?

And Besides a bit of Orson Scott Card and LoTR I didn't get into fantasy until later in life.

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