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My Impressions of the MacBook Pro M4

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Re: My Impressions of the MacBook Pro M4

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Post by Forgeties79 »

acjohnson55 wrote: post #146
embedding-shape wrote: post #131

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One of those things that some people notice, some people don't. I'm definitely in the camp where I feel differences between 120hz and 60hz, but I don't feel 60hz as choppy, and beyond 120hz I can't notice any difference, but others seemingly can. Maybe it's our biology?

I would bet most people would fail a blind test.

60 to 120? Generally there are tell tale signs. If I quickly drag a window around it’s clear as day at 120.

Most people who’ve used both 60 and 120 could tell, definitely if a game is running. Unless you’re asking me to distinguish between like 110 and 120, but that’s like asking someone to distinguish between roughly 30 and 32.

North of 120 it gets trickier to notice no matter what IMO.

I can live with 60 but 85+ is where I’m happy.

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Post by andyferris »

hu3 wrote: post #244
jofzar wrote: post #214

> I don’t notice going back to 60 Hz displays on computers. However, on phones, where a lot more animations are a key part of the user experience, I think 120 Hz displays are more interesting. I'm always so jealous of these people, 60hz is just so bad for me now and even make me a bit motion sick. I can see it in everything, moving the window, scrolling, the cursor.

Same. I currently have a 160hz and a 240hz monitor. And I can tell the difference between them when scrolling pages with tons of text. There's less ghosting in 240hz. And scrolling on 60hz to me looks blurry. I'd like to think that those who don't notice the difference have improved brain GPUs that can compensate for ghosting.

> I'd like to think that those who don't notice the difference have improved brain GPUs that can compensate for ghosting.

Wow. My perspective was those that did notice the difference were more perceptive. Thank you - now I realize there is a completely different take. (I'm not sure that it's helpful mind you... but it gives me something to chew on).

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Post by mr_toad »

dylan604 wrote: post #117
IshKebab wrote: post #61

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I think it actually would be quite near the top, in terms of ranking. Most hobbies are a lot cheaper. Of course, not near the top in terms of money because there are a few hobbies that cost vastly more.

Just off the top of my head in hobbies that I've been in/around that this $3k would be a nothing burger: photography, wood working, grease monkey, cycling, gun collecting, antiquing, recreational substances...

> photography, wood working, grease monkey, cycling, gun collecting, antiquing, recreational substances

Yacht owner says ‘hold my beer’.

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Post by vbezhenar »

jofzar wrote: post #214

> I don’t notice going back to 60 Hz displays on computers. However, on phones, where a lot more animations are a key part of the user experience, I think 120 Hz displays are more interesting. I'm always so jealous of these people, 60hz is just so bad for me now and even make me a bit motion sick. I can see it in everything, moving the window, scrolling, the cursor.

I've made a test for myself. Screen split into two parts, two small squares moving and bouncing. First square moves every frame, second square skips every second frame, but moves 2x. So basically one half of the screen is full FPS, another half of the screen is half FPS. And I implemented it as a "blind test", so I could make a guess and then check it.

For screen with 60 FPS, the difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS was pretty obvious and I could guess it 100% of the time.

For screen with 144FPS, the difference between 72FPS and 144FPS was not obvious at all and I couldn't reliably guess it at all. I also checked it with a few other persons, and they all failed this simple test.

So now I'm holding firm opinion, that these high-FPS displays are marketing gimmick.

https://pastebin.com/raw/hwR62Yhi here's HTML, save it and open. left click reveals which half is "fast" (full FPS) or "slow" (half FPS), scroll changes speed, F5 generates new test.

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Post by 201984 »

bitwize wrote: post #43
arbirk wrote: post #2

You won't notice 8ms difference in input lag

Musicians can feel latencies as low as 1ms. Apple is designing pro gear for its target audience.

Fun fact, 1ms is the approximately the amount of time it takes for sound to travel 1 foot. Do musicians move all their speakers to be within one foot of their ears? Do people in a band notice a difference if they're not standing within 1 foot of their partners? No, they don't.

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Post by hexbin010 »

javier2 wrote: post #300
sunaookami wrote: post #86

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macOS does not have auto update. In fact it doesn't bother you with any updates which lead to me behind patches behind because I was accustomed to Windows nagging me for updates every week.

Its usually just a persistent red dot on system settings and the menu that there is an update.

Pro tip: remove 'Settings' from the dock, create a shortcut to the 'Settings' app, and put that in the dock.

Now you just have an annoying tiny black arrow instead of a red dot.

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Post by hexbin010 »

sunaookami wrote: post #86
amelius wrote: post #21

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macOS does not have auto update. In fact it doesn't bother you with any updates which lead to me behind patches behind because I was accustomed to Windows nagging me for updates every week.

> In fact it doesn't bother you with any updates

Patently false on modern MacOS. I get a reminder about Tahoe every week or two. Plus a persistent red "1" dot in the Settings app that you can't dismiss. And a huge info/advert panel in the 'Software Update' section of Settings about Tahoe, that you can't dismiss.

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Post by Too »

tuyiown wrote: post #254
RossBencina wrote: post #204

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I reckon it makes some sense for Apple users . You have to be willing (and financially able) to upgrade when Apple says. Apple forcefully obsoletes their products way too quickly to be a viable option if you care about longevity[0]. I have five excellent-condition still-perfectly-working Apple products next to me, none of which have current operating system support from Apple. [0] EDIT: for reference, my previous Thi…

14 years as your main driver ? Because that what we’re talking about.

14 is a indeed very long. Let’s instead assume 12, it’s 2013 and you got a top specced T440 with 4th gen i7. That’s actually not bad and the build quality is like a tank as all Thinkpads. Nothing I would use as daily driver myself but having used many other thinkpads of that generation I can see why others are still getting by with it today.

Since we are talking about OS support. 4th gen Intel isn’t supported by Windows 11, so you’d have to upgrade to Linux.

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Post by ekianjo »

tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #212
ekianjo wrote: post #207

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> $3K for a computer isn't going to be anywhere near the top of the list. That says a lot about the community you live in.

That they've worked hard to be able to afford nice things? What do you think it says, exactly? This is a pretty irritating comment.

That was not a judgment, good or bad. Simply an observation.
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