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GP wasn't complaining.
I took it as a statement that it is prohibitively difficult to contribute to Wikipedia, and wanted to point out that a large number of contributions are being made and the resulting quality being high, in part due to the difficulty of making contributions.
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Page 21 of their 2024 annual report[1] has expenses listed. About $3,000,000 for web hosting, about $100,000,000 for salaries and benefits out of $178,000,000 total. [1]: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/W...
A web server is useless if you aren't paying someone to plug it in. There is probably a lot to criticize, but you need to go deeper than "salaries" are bad. You need some of those to actually run the website.
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#304I stopped contributing money, and then stopped trusting and using Wikipedia after I saw how wrong they are on a subject I am well-informed on personally (ARM architecture), and how fast they revert properly-cited 100% factually correct changes (literally citing the arm architecture manual). How could I trust them on things I do not know, if I know for a fact they are unrepentantly wrong about things I do know?
In my experience it's always better to only leave comments on the talk page and at most add template comments to the article, for a couple weeks; after that time passed you can go ahead with editing the page, and there's a better chance of the edits not getting reverted. But I've always hated the way Wikipedia works.
Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video
#305With more AI tools mining existing knowledge and presenting it in increasingly accessible ways, I don’t think AI search fundamentally changes how information and knowledge are organized.
Of course, AI could reshape the organization of knowledge through areas like:
1. Fact-checking and sourcing
2. Drafting new pages
3. Editing and refining wording
…and more
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Just like Wikipedia already has many bots running behind the scenes, if all these tasks were eventually handled by AI, there would still be things left for humans (or perhaps another AI) to decide:
1. When a fact has multiple perspectives, how should it be phrased to represent different viewpoints fairly?
> I still remember countless word battles on Wikipedia over this.
2. In the age of smartphones and social media, historical moments are documented not only by journalists or influencers but by thousands — even millions — of ordinary people. How should Wikipedia process and summarize such vast, distributed facts?
3. How do we properly incentivize contributors, whether human or AI?
> Wikipedia was born in an era when the Internet lacked reliable information, and building a shared, sustainable, independent knowledge base was a mission that resonated with its early contributors — traffic rewards came later.
4. And of course, geopolitics — Wikipedia must remain independent.
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A bit of background: I once led a Chinese wiki product, but I eventually gave up on it — because almost no one cared why a wiki should exist beyond being just another searchable content platform.
Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video
#306As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit that is not dependent on web traffic for revenue, is a decline in traffic necessarily bad? I always assumed the need for metastatic growth was limited to VC-backed and ad-revenue dependent companies.
They are highly dependent on web traffic for revenue. And their costs are even increasing because while human viewers are decreasing they are getting hugged to death by AI scrapes.
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Craftsmen care about what they make, pursuing excellence even if it may take generations. Businessmen care about robbing you now in the most efficient way.
There is also an element of tradition with scotch, which is something that can survive even the occasional craftsman who may not care as much about what they do, as long as they respect the traditions. Humans don't live that long, and there's a constant onslaught of fleeting fancies, especially in business (Wikipedia foundation should buy some crypto for it's treasury!) Tradition is simply brand value to be monetized…
[] Indifferent, spoiled rotten progeny seeking maximum return upon inheritance, selling distillery to Seagram's for an immediate gratification windfall fortune.
[] John Cooper VII, the last barrel maker, skill lost at retirement, or Master Cooper VIIth lost savings to Mister Market, or an expensive clandestine affair, extorts 16X per barrel.
[] Seagram's hires brilliant Bill Burr(Breaking Bad car wash business) to pose as EPA agent, threatening federal lawsuit for illegal violation of dumping distillery toxic runoff for past centuries, and/or white oak barrels cause cancer and the distillery has killed victims for hundreds of years.
[] A society grows fallow when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in, while the president's daughter threatens to enforce federal white oak forest's toxic(false, but that's ok!) leaching prosecution if landowners do not immediately purchase a fortune of President altCoin.
In this painfully craven hostile world, Benedictine liqueur would seem to be more durable spirit than any Scotch.
Re: Wikipedia says traffic is falling due to AI search summaries and social video
#309The hard truth is that LLMs will fully replace wikipedia. Let's put aside wikipedia being rotten with bureaucracy and obsession-driven bias, which is similar to stackoverflow preexisting flows before LLMs streamrolled. Fact is, wikipedia is a human driven summarization engine of secondary sources, hopefully in a way that echos the sources consensus. This is exactly what LLMs are best for, summarizing huge amount of t…
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#310I’m a pro-market solution person, but markets are a tool. This is the kind of capitalistic behavior that is repugnant to our idea of how things should work. This is not what the commons is for - taking the work of creators, repackaging it, and using platform capability to re-sell it. At this point, I am coming around to the argument that governments should make their own local/national AI.
> At this point, I am coming around to the argument that governments should make their own local/national AI. I think this is a terrible idea. How do current Chinese-built LLMs respond when asked about Tianamen Square? How would American-built LLMs response when asked about Israel/Palestine?
I can think of an infinite ways why this is bad.
The alternative is what we have now. I don’t think the current situation is worth leaving uncontested.
Seriously - we’re copying all the art, music, lit, data and converting it into subscription revenue for the biggest firms on the planet ?
Which are based in the US?
And the alternative is Chinese open models ? Really ? This is the future.
In that case the only other groups left to enter the fray are national governments.
Frankly, after seeing what I am in Asia, I suspect they are already planning to do that anyway.