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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mijoharas »

unethical_ban wrote: post #223
blibble wrote: post #170

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I more or less agree with the "no politics at work" stance but you've omitted his recent "contributions", where he went completely off the rails have a read of this https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 it's completely unacceptable, and he's promoting a self proclaimed fascist white nationalist (Tommy Robinson)

(political opinion incoming) Other than his mention of Tommy Robinson, it is not radical or unacceptable to say "Wow, my city has changed radically in the past 20 years and is losing its identity". If the center and the left completely reject the validity of national identity and the expectation of immigrant integration to British identity, then you leave people with those sentiments running into the only open arms l…

> If the center and the left completely reject the validity of national identity and the expectation of immigrant integration to British identity

He explicitly cited race, not "British identity" he quoted a Wikipedia page where he took stats excluding non-white British.

I don't think he was arguing the point you're attributing to him.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mijoharas »

dash2 wrote: post #189
blibble wrote: post #170

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I more or less agree with the "no politics at work" stance but you've omitted his recent "contributions", where he went completely off the rails have a read of this https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 it's completely unacceptable, and he's promoting a self proclaimed fascist white nationalist (Tommy Robinson)

That's not quite accurate. Quoting chatGPT, since it may have more credible neutrality than my own opinion: """ Does Tommy Robinson call himself a "fascist" or "white nationalist"? No — Tommy Robinson (real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) does not call himself a fascist or white nationalist. He consistently rejects those labels, describing himself instead as a patriot, free-speech activist, or anti-Islamist campaigner. T…

I mean, even if you grant that the EDL is not a fascist organisation (I don't) he was a member of the BNP which is an explicitly fascist organisation, so at best he is a former fascist or a reformed fascist.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by [deleted] »

damagednoob wrote: post #276
MatthiasPortzel wrote: post #187

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This is only a win for Ruby Central. They haven't conceded anything and they've convinced Ruby Core to endorse them as the correct and true maintainers of RubyGems. > While repository ownership has moved, Ruby Central will continue to share management and governance responsibilities for RubyGems and Bundler in close collaboration with the Ruby core team. Andre has previously maintained that he owns a trademark on Bun…

>Andre has previously maintained that he owns a trademark on Bundler and he will enforce it against Ruby Central. Well, 1. He's not fighting Ruby Central anymore, he'd be fighting the Ruby core team. 2. He's going to have a tough time asserting copyright on a name he didn't come up with on a project which shipped v1 before he joined. 3. If he believes the trademark belongs to the community, the right thing to do woul…

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Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by Barrin92 »

blasphemers wrote: post #232
itsnowandnever wrote: post #196

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right, that's exactly what he did. "politics for me but not for thee"

That's not the case at all. His blog is his personal blog, not 37Signals, and he has never said employees were not allowed to share political opinions outside of work.

this is in the same category as "the law in its majestic equality forbids both beggars and rich men to sleep under bridges".

DHH advocates "no politics at work" because as a powerful guy that's organized politics potentially directed at him. He advocates blogging because he knows perfectly well that he has a large audience and his employees or critics don't. That's why the rich tech bro class loves getting politics out of the workplace and getting it onto the platforms they own.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mrguyorama »

fooqux wrote: post #129
undecisive wrote: post #102

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Yeah, certainly tickles a few neurons. I feel like BDFLs are akin to the concept of village elders; they're not immune to corruption or scandal, but they often have this beloved status that can paper over a lot of cracks. That's probably dependant on their leadership style - the hard headed (Linus, DHH) vs the grandfatherly (Matz, Van Rossum). Which, going back to your note on geopolitics, leads me to wonder: Is it j…

> I feel like BDFLs are akin to the concept of village elders; they're not immune to corruption or scandal, but they often have this beloved status that can paper over a lot of cracks. I think a lot of this is due to how so much is a scandal these days, for better and worse. (I'm obviously going to keep politics as much out of my response as possible.) A few decades ago, people could have political views without ostr…

>A few decades ago, people could have political views without ostracizing roughly 50% of the global population

This is ahistorical.

Not only was it the norm forever to ostracize entire sections of your society (protestant vs catholic and lots of other religions, black vs white, any form of non-hetero behavior, the Roma people and any form of outsider)

It often was the law

Americans shot their family members over whether we should own black people or not.

My french and white ancestors were expelled to Louisiana, intermarried with black people, and then when the US bought the french land, they introduced laws that made such families illegal.

Reagan made a hobby of publicly claiming his coworkers were communist. Thought that maybe we should be allowed to form unions? 100 years ago that was enough to get you investigated by the senate. Americans voted for him so hard the Democratic party is still floundering to have support. "We should allow unions" or "we should regulate companies" is still half-verbotten.

Do you know how many kids are still kicked out of their homes for the crime of being born gay?

This idea of "You used to be able to hold diverse opinions in public" is outright wrong. This past never existed.

Weird Christians in the US have tried to cancel things like Harry Potter and halloween for gods sake. They took a teacher to trial for teaching evolution. They made playing pen and paper RPGs a sin! When preachers molested kids, they shunned the kids

Being too chummy with another guy in public was a scandal! Being a woman who wanted an education was a scandal! Getting pregnant out of wedlock was a scandal that would tear apart families. Getting divorced was verbotten. Expressing support for social policy could get you fired, or murdered

Bush Jr literally said "You're either with us or against us" about supporting a criminal war and America pitched a globally public fit when other countries did not pledge allegiance.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by mijoharas »

joeldrapper wrote: post #9
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #7

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So what? NPM wasn't originally owned by Microsoft, nor GitHub, but reality moves forward? As long as Matz is involved, I have a lot of faith things will get better, not worse, unless you have some strong indication of otherwise. If anything, because things will be nicer.

So it’s okay for Matz to get HSBT to steal people’s open source projects? What if Matz sponsors stole Ruby from him? WTF?

Have we got any sources for Matz getting HSBT to steal it? I mean, I get that they're both members of ruby core, but that's a bit of a claim.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by matheusmoreira »

shevy-java wrote: post #80
delichon wrote: post #3

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Matz is a pillar. Remember "Matz is nice and so we are nice"? s/nice/nice and responsible/gc.

Is that a religion now? The pickaxe guys coined it. People repeat it without thinking about it. If matz were to say "jump from the bridge", people would do it, because matz is nice? Just to point out: I do think matz is nice and a great language designer. That in itself doesn't mean anything. Why would I proxy my own decisions based on any mindless slogan? That makes no sense. Why do people in the ruby ecosystem keep…

It's a reminder to us all.

I don't think I've ever seen Matz be rude to anyone on the Ruby bug tracker. I've actually witnessed him deal with controversial topics firmly yet gracefully, making decisions that avoid turmoil in the community and that leave no room for escalation into flamewars. Other projects weren't so lucky.

I wrote some Ruby in my teenage years and his conduct certainly made an impression on me. I try to remember this guy whenever I get too angry about stuff. We should all try to be more like him.

That's what the phrase is saying, by the way. It's an encouragement to follow in his footsteps.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by nozzlegear »

shevy-java wrote: post #89
shadowgovt wrote: post #57

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The broad-strokes story is: * DHH said some things on his blog that some people believe to be deeply racist / fascist (not going to unpack whether they were or not because answering that question is irrelevant to the fact pattern; consult other threads for that debate). * A Ruby conference run by Ruby Central was asked to deplatform him. Since he's the creator of Rails, they declined. * In response to their decision,…

This is not 100% correct though; I mean, your summary is good, don't get me wrong so I upvoted it. But it conflates a few issues that are not 100% related. For instance, DHH and his fancy blog, are not 100% related or relatable to RubyCentral ousting long-term developers. There may be some connection (DHH on shopify's board, tons of ruby developers being paid by shopify and still writing "my opinion is totally unbias…

> And, since they accuse Arko as the ultimate bad boy - why haven't they sued him? Why do they continue to refuse to do so?

As someone who has sued someone else and won, it can take months for your legal team to gather the facts, decide on strategy, and then file suit.

Re: Ruby core team takes ownership of RubyGems and Bundler

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Post by badosu »

the_gastropod wrote: post #290
badosu wrote: post #250

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This. While I am all for making conscious choices on what to support I can't take anything phrased like that seriously "all is contributors". Hyprland, while inferior (imo) in some aspects to sway on the wayland tiling manager landscape is a fine piece of software that I use on my non-work computer (I still use sway for stability). Back on the topic: I reiterate I'd be happy to avoid using or supporting projects base…

> What, do I need to know every persons imo completely irrelevant opinions on whatever du jour hot political topic? No. But if they're using their social capital they've built via their software contributions (like DHH) to spread racist nonsense, then maybe it's worth considering alternatives, or at the very least, stop supporting those projects.

Sure, but I think there's a spectrum when making that decision:

"should keep their bullshit to themselves" "should perhaps take leadership and avoid having their public channel a cesspool" "actively encourages/participates in discriminatory practices" "raging maniac hurting people, rallying for X"

Specifically on the topic of RubyGems:

I couldn't care less about what DHH posts or not, I certainly care that he uses his position to influence a chain of actors to interfere with something that always worked just because X.

I couldn't care less about the other side on the "cancel" mission, I care about influencing a chain of actors to interfere with something that always worked just because Y.

Please quarantine your political polarization/culture wars bullshit, non-anglo countries don't need it.

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