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Re: Gem.coop

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Post by shadowgovt »

typpilol wrote: post #275
simianparrot wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought so but didn’t want to assume. People really like to misuse terms like fascism these days, huh…

It's so crazy. He's a fascist because he said something about the chant population of London. And he didn't want politics at the work place How the hell is any of that facism

Fascism may be the wrong label.

Racism could be a much better fit. The blog post in question: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

The interpretation that raises some pretty interesting points about the inherent racism in the expressed worldview: https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug...

There is, however, an interpretation that explains how this specific kind of racism can be seen as at least fascism-adjacent: https://davidcel.is/articles/rails-needs-new-governance

The question of whether he wants politics in the workplace is moot when he's making public blog posts like this. For the open-source community, the open Internet is the workplace. People aren't just going to pretend DHH didn't say what he said (in public, of his own free will, using his own megaphone) because he didn't post it to ruby-core@ml.ruby-lang.org.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by shadowgovt »

busterarm wrote: post #120
ishouldbework wrote: post #107

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Cannot speak for the US, but in Europe immigration is connected to crime increase in general. The Ukraine refugees are one of few statistical exceptions.

I think a lot of people are forgetting or at least choose to ignore that DHH is Danish (and specifically a Danish expat) and is probably more inclined to have controversial views on immigration from majority Islamic countries. That's not to give his statements a pass, but to give them some needed context. And no, I'm not saying that Danes are racist.

And, indeed, if he'd been talking about Copenhagen I suspect at least some people may have looked the other way.

Saying what he said about London is, at the very least, a fascinating example of failure to stay in his lane. In fact, if one were of the mindset to be denigrating immigrants, one could, perhaps, raise questions around what business a Dane has telling Brits which members of their former colonies do and do not count as British or, indeed, what it means to be British.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by shadowgovt »

ramon156 wrote: post #48
simianparrot wrote: post #35

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What does “fash problem” mean?

There's some weird opinions coming from mostly DHH. My personal take is that they're blatantly racist, but everyone can have their own Here's some fun facts: - DHH enforced a "No Politics at Work" policy. - DHH wrote a post expressing that he wouldn't want to live in London anymore because it's "no longer full of native Brits", and expressed support for a Tommy Robinson march he called "heartwarming". Tommy Robinson…

Probably worth noting in this particular context:

The Ruby community in general, and the Rails community in particular, likes to style itself as people who care about people. "Matz is nice so we are nice" (MINSWAN) is a cornerstone concept that the community passes around. As a result, they have a tendency to care about this sort of thing; community standards of behavior didn't get bolted-on later, they were there at the start.

I once watched a Rails community member pretty well pillory someone for entertaining the thought experiment that if ReiserFS were more technically competent, the software-engineering community wouldn't care the creator murdered his wife and would still invite him to speaking engagements telecast from jail. It is therefore interesting to watch how the Rails community is reacting to the Rails creator having concerns not nearly as bad as killed-his-wife, but extremely disquieting nonetheless.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by shadowgovt »

x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #157
maxwellg wrote: post #133

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Ironic that DHH is politically active enough that it affects his day to day activities and public perception of his company - kind of the exact opposite of his own policy he expects his employees to abide by.

He posts about it on his personal blog, not on his company Slack.

It's not a distinction someone active in the open source community gets to make. For open source developers, the larger Internet is the workplace.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by varispeed »

lazerwalker wrote: post #241
varispeed wrote: post #226

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"Market rate" is not neutral. It is a wage‑fixing device that standardises labour pay while letting profits float to shareholders. Treating it as holy writ is how extraction is hidden in plain sight. Flat salaries do not remove politics. With unequal equity and control, a flat wage simply disciplines workers while investors keep uncapped upside. If money is the poison, start by flattening carry, liquidation preferenc…

This project is or will be a worker-owned co-op, as evidenced by the strict requirements placed on anyone who registers a .coop domain name. I imagine at least equal ownership (if not risk and power) is a given in this specific instance, and profits will explicitly not flow upwards to shareholders who are not also workers.

This likely won't last long, because it is at odds with human nature.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by computerthings »

marknutter wrote: post #299
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #297

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Those "histrionics" were your own words, slightly duplicated, with "say something like" added. While I don't disagree with this comment, I would recommend that you take the implied advice before expecting others to.

Dismissing someone's opinion because they compare those they don't agree with to literal fascists is not the same as dismissing someone's opinion because they do that. One leads to people being targeted for violence and potentially assassinated, the other calls out incitement to political violence.

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Re: Gem.coop

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Post by pdntspa »

florkbork wrote: post #181
pdntspa wrote: post #122

Is this not an overreaction to the rubygems rubycentral fiasco?

No. Imagine if someone came into your house and changed all of the locks on you/your family, because "security". You had built that house from your original designs but the other party claims they own it now because they happen to manage a series of rental listings for houses built to your design. You had even made it so the plans could be copied and modified in private; if "security" were a real concern with about 1…

Yeah and now we have a fragmented ecosystem. If the projects were placed under RubyCentral's management and active contributors' access is restored I don't see a big deal.

Yes the manner in which it was handled was really bad but given the supply-chain attacks we're seeing against the Python and JS worlds, I think auditing contributor access and consolidating certain privileges is prudent.

Again, handled poorly. But a lot of money rides on stuff like Bundler. We need a strict security posture.

edit- I am an artist; I get the concern and distaste. But at a certain point your art grows bigger than you. If you as a private individual build a bridge used from a public roadway and you don't do the necessary maintenance or management your shit gets shut down. Not sure how this is much different.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by shevy-java »

There is a recent tiny "update", or more a comment - see here (I only use old.reddit; the new reddit UI is so much worse, but this is an aside):

https://old.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/1nzxgb9/buckle_up_the...

In the event the ruby-reddit moderators remove it, the comment had this content verbatim at the time of linking to it here:

"I have tried so much. It’s Ruby Central that won’t talk. They’re hiding behind lawyers at this point."

Now, we have to concede that this could be wrong; or incomplete. Personally I believe him though, but in theory it could be a wrong statement. Nonetheless ... just think about this for a moment ...

The organisation that claims it is all about the community, refuses to be transparent and now hides behind lawyers, after having been caught with making several incorrect statements before already. Does this look more like a community-centric organisation or possibly a front for corporations? Just think it through for yourself what it means when they suddenly have to hide behind lawyers.

In my opinion they are now deliberately making the community angry. But, even without this, I believe we can conclude that by far the biggest fault for all of this lies on Ruby Central.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by RhythmFox »

wlonkly wrote: post #250
shadowgovt wrote: post #198

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I mean regarding the choice of TLD. Forking the package repository ecosystem I fully understand the incentives; it just strikes me as a very Ruby-ecosystem thing to just assume that `.coop` is a good enough TLD with no consequences for using it relative to choosing to use .org, .com, or .net.

Is there evidence that corporate firewalls commonly block .coop?

Sadly mine does :\ Not that I don't support trying to get it approved, but anyone in a large enough corporation knows that approval for an external source often takes... a very a long time lol

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by RhythmFox »

shevy-java wrote: post #308

There is a recent tiny "update", or more a comment - see here (I only use old.reddit; the new reddit UI is so much worse, but this is an aside): https://old.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/1nzxgb9/buckle_up_the... In the event the ruby-reddit moderators remove it, the comment had this content verbatim at the time of linking to it here: "I have tried so much. It’s Ruby Central that won’t talk. They’re hiding behind lawyers…

-> In my opinion they are now deliberately making the community angry.

This is one thing I think hasn't been talked about explicitly enough within the community (that I see at least) yet, Ruby Central seems to be actively trolling the 'other side' of this situation. It reads to me like they know they have the lawyer power to defend their castle and are enjoying pissing down on people and telling them it's raining. Oh and you should enjoy that because it means there will be flowers soon... or something.

I think the dialogue of 'are they acting in good faith' only works in so far as they even care about the rest of the Ruby community at all. If they are indeed bad actors (motivated purely by greed, ambition, ego, etc) then they are not ever going to come clean and they would let the whole Ruby community die before they admit defeat or wrongheadedness. My favorite term for these types of actors is SCUM - Sufficiently Clever and Uncaring Malefactors.

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