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Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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Where is NA?

Mexico + USA + Canada.. North America It's also not common (and illegal).. this account posts a lot of vague platitudes.

It's very common for small and independent businesses. You've likely never interacted with one.

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Credit card companies have been doing stand-ins to support offline transactions for ages. Mainly the reason why you pay a high interest rate on your credit card.

Almost no one has credit cards here. It is almost only debit.

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What’s fascinating (apart from the sound those things made is still in my head) is that the very nature of the technology meant who could and could not get credit varied. At first (1950 diners card onwards) only well off could use it at limited establishments (ie restaurants) and they would postal deliver lists of cars - initially white lists of valid card owners and later hot lists of delinquent card owners. Stick y…

I think it was normal that you had to show ID that matched the card name, and compare the signatures too. Now the signatures are just a spot to draw something funny.

In the 80s and 90s in the UK you just signed. The card imprint was embossed by the machine which put it onto the carbon, and that was sent off to the bank for payment later in the week, like cheques.

I last used a carbon credit card in the early 00s. Electronic swipe and sign for a credit card had gone pretty much everywhere I went except the US by about 2010

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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In the Netherlands we had an extra chip on our cards a while back called "chipknip" for offline payments. Didn't work because you had to charge it separately.

Chipknip (a portmanteau of chip card and knip, Dutch for purse) was a stored-value payment card system used in the Netherlands. Based on the Belgian Proton system, it was started by Interpay on 26 October 1995, as a pilot project in the city of Arnhem and a year later rolled out countrywide. Chipknip was taken over by Currence due to a restructuring on 17 May 2005, who managed it with their licensees until its discontinuation on 1 January 2015. The Chipknip was primarily used for small retail transactions, as the card could contain a maximum value of 500 euros. The money needed to be transferred from a card holders main bank account using a loading station which were generally located next to ATMs.

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In the Netherlands we had an extra chip on our cards a while back called "chipknip" for offline payments. Didn't work because you had to charge it separately. Chipknip (a portmanteau of chip card and knip, Dutch for purse) was a stored-value payment card system used in the Netherlands. Based on the Belgian Proton system, it was started by Interpay on 26 October 1995, as a pilot project in the city of Arnhem and a yea…

Sweden had a similar system in the late 90's-early 00's called the "cash card", also developed by Proton. It was a huge failure with basically zero uptake, there was no benefit over just using your debit card https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_%28betalsystem%29

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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Why don’t you pay the transaction fee every time you use your card or whatever then? Why should the merchant foot the bill?

Having a cash register and handling cash costs money too, doesn't it? It's just a cost of doing business.

No one has to pay a transaction fee to accept cash.

And you didn’t answer why you shouldn’t pay that fee.

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US domestic? I've found it's somewhat rare to see here in the EU, but there are a few airlines that offer it.

Yes, most of my flying experience is US domestic. While I expected differences, I didn't expect this one

Most EU flights I’ve been on offer Internet to travelers for a fee. Even if they don’t offer it to travelers, it doesn’t mean they themselves do not have Internet connection… I’m sure most of the time, they have access to the internet and paying by card is not more complicated than paying in any other store.

Re: Offline card payments should be possible no later than 1 July 2026

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It's not about paying by cash but paying by card offline. How is this going to be implemented I wonder. On planes they often accept credit cards even when there's no internet. I assume this is a trust in-credit-based system because they don't accept debit cards, i.e. if you are worth being trusted with a card you can have your sandwich now and we will take care of the bank processing once we are on the ground. So may…

On European airlines I'm pretty sure you can buy with debit cards too.
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