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Re: Kagi News

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Post by andrewinardeer »

byearthithatius wrote: post #269
pjc50 wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's too much demand for fake news, plenty of subsidy for it, and it's far easier to make. Non fake news is going to be restricted to pay services like Bloomberg terminals.

It is getting easier and easier to fake stuff and there are becoming less and less fully trusted institutions. So sadly I think you are right. Its scary but we are likely heading towards a future where you need to pay to get verified information and that itself will likely be segmented to different subscriptions for what information you want.

> It is getting easier and easier to fake stuff

This is why the moon landing hoax was revolutionary in the 60's. The size of this project was enormous.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by W0lfEagle »

I really like this for practising a foreign language by switching the content language. I do agree with other comments here though that it will need greater control over which languages are translated.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by ktosobcy »

charcircuit wrote: post #28
ktosobcy wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I do use it and can't imagine following anything without it... And I keep hoping that it will come back and replace absolutely terrible schizophrenic feeds from meta/x/etc

>Why? Because not every site has a RSS feed. For example when Claude Sonnet 4.5 released it would make sense to have that, but there is no RSS feed for Anthropic. Being compatible with the entire web instead of just a subset of it is useful.

Well... thanks to walled-garden policy from google whole web decided to erect walls instead of providing neat RSS. Though all websites I care about have RSS and if some doesn't I contact the admin and they add it…

Re: Kagi News

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Post by khaleel-kagi »

MostlyStable wrote: post #82
baggachipz wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Several sections have Trump in the headline. I wish there was a way to block that word like I do in Lemmy. That guy monopolizes the headlines which only makes him more powerful, and annoys me. I'll see whether I can take this when I use this new app, which I otherwise think is great.

This comment[0] suggests that they have some kind of a filter [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45427513

We have Content Filter on the web version. And it's coming to the mobile app very soon. We're working towards having complete feature parity with the web app.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by skybrian »

4dm1r4lg3n3r4l wrote: post #244
skybrian wrote: post #92

Do the checkmarks do anything? I expected them to disappear after a reload (like hiding a post on Hacker News), but apparently that's not what they're for. "Mark as read" checks all the checkmarks, but since they're still there after a reload, I don't see the point.

It automatically marks stuff you've seen - it's just a visual cue. Similar to how search engines (like Google) show visited links with a different color. I think keeping them on the page instead of automatically hiding them makes more sense for a product that's trying to update their news feed once per day. You feel more in control, as if it's not a stream of never-ending stories, but rather a fixed amount of stories…

For me, this is fairly useless because it mostly displays stories I've already seen elsewhere.

A news site has to display some uncommon stories to have any appeal.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by 1_1xdev1 »

BeetleB wrote: post #253
insane_dreamer wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s probably hard to find an article these days that doesn’t mention one of those words (except maybe celebrity gossip). The world we live in.

In other words, this is exposing a long standing flaw in journalism. I know things are super polarized now, but even 20 years ago, when mentioning a Congressperson regarding a particular social problem, they would specify if he was a Democrat/Republican. I really don't need to know which party he is part of. If the article was about a party's stance, it makes sense - but the article is about one politician.

Sure you do, to understand actual patterns in actions of members of the party.

And ignoring that, it’s general context. Part of the job of a journalist.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by gnud »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #240
jacobgkau wrote: post #201

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> Gmail is gonna be real hard though. Gmail seems like the easiest piece of the Google puzzle to replace. Different calendar systems have different quirks around repeating events, you sometimes need to try a variety of search engines to find what you're looking for, Docs aren't bug-for-bug equivalent to the Office or iCloud competitors, YouTube has audience, monetization, and hosting scale... Gmail is just "make an e…

I am sticking with this reprehensible company for email because their spam detection is awesome and I have found no clear measurements of detection to reasonably compare. I’d love to be proven wrong!

Switched from Gmail to Fastmail about 10 years ago.

2-3 spam emails slip through every week, and sometimes a false positive happens when I sign up for something new. I don't see this as a huge problem, and I doubt Gmail is significantly better.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by MarcelOlsz »

Harmon758 wrote: post #211
__jonas wrote: post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

Just for concrete confirmation that LLM(s) are being used, there's an open issue on the GitHub repository, on hallucinations with made up information, where a Kagi employee specifically mentions "an LLM hallucination problem": https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public/issues/97 There's also a line at the bottom of the about page at https://kite.kagi.com/about that says "Summaries may contain errors. Please verify imp…

Man am I tired of this stuff.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by giorgio-kagi »

tantalor wrote: post #79

The grounding is really strange. This example includes a Reddit post as a source: https://kite.kagi.com/s/hjgy55 But that post is actually a link to reuters.com There is also a list of "citations" which are referenced from the generated text, and "sources" which are not referenced anywhere. It's not clear if they used reddit or reuters to generate any of the text. I also see lots of citations to "common knowledge"...…

Hey - Reddit is included as a source because posts can contain firsthand accounts and independent analysis. The RSS feed we use from Reddit provides the post title and text. So to answer your question, when you see Reddit as a source we are using the aforementioned data, not what it links to.

About "common knowledge" sources - we validate all content for accuracy. When the LLM needs to add context that's missing from sources (e.g. historical background), we mark these as "common knowledge" since this generated content can't be validated against the original sources. You're right that your example isn't common knowledge at all, we'll work on adding actual sources for these claims too.

Thanks for trying it out!

Re: Kagi News

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Post by malnourish »

imiric wrote: post #156
input_sh wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's useful for the users, but tragically bad for anyone involved with journalism. Not that they're not used to getting fucked by search engines at this point, be it via AMP, instant answers, or AI overviews. Not that the userbase of 50k is big enough to matter right now, but still...

What journalism? Most of these sites copy their content from each other or social media, and give it their own spin. Nowadays most of them use AI anyway. Actual journalism doesn't rely on advertising, and is subscription based. Anyone interested in that is already subscribed to those sources, but that is not the audience this service is aiming for. Some people only want to spend a few minutes a day catching up with m…

Broadly agreed, I don't consider the CBS (national) news website to be a source of hard hitting journalism; Reuters, however, is. Reuters and the AP are often the source of these news stations.

I continue to subscribe to Reuters because of the quality of journalism and reporting. I have also started using Kagi News. They are not incompatible.

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