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Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by aprilnya »

freetonik wrote: post #62

Finally. My two production projects are built entirely on Cloudflare workers platform, and I dread every time I have to login into AWS to manage SES. I even wrote a note for myself with instructions which buttons to press and where to navigate, like you'd write for your elderly relative who's "not good with technology".

Honestly this is why I like what Cloudflare is building nowadays. They aren’t just a CDN but rather they’re becoming a full on cloud, like AWS and Azure are - except their developer experience is just so incredibly better than any other cloud

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

troyvit wrote: post #234
jasonvorhe wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what kind of internet you used but mine didn't randomly decide to block my access to a website because some quasi monopolist decided I wasn't allowed to use a certain website for intransparent reasons.

Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Are you talking about the former or the latter? If it's the former ... that has literally never happened to me unless I'm on a VPN and even then it's rarely (if ever) CF that's doing the blocking. If it's the latter then it reflects the sad truth that we can't have nice things anymoret. I have lots of problems with the accessibilit…

Infinity captchas are the most toxic thing ever. I have trouble completing many of the challenges.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by stickfigure »

egorfine wrote: post #219
stingraycharles wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

> It had much more freedom

...right up until you got DDoS'd off the internet by some script kiddie "for the lolz".

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by op00to »

layer8 wrote: post #126
toomuchtodo wrote: post #78

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I have more money than time. Take my money to do things I do not have time for. What you call lazy, I call time and capital/cashflow efficient. (cloudflare customer, in both personal and professional capacities; i pay Fastmail to host family email; both can easily be switched if needed to prevent lock in, with DNS changes and in the case of hosted email, an export of mailboxes and tenant config)

What GP is effectively saying is that you don’t value independence enough to invest the necessary money and (for personal use) time into self-hosting. And there is a spectrum to this. For example, using a small, independent email or hosting provider may cost a little more time, but makes you more independent from big tech, and maybe more importantly, contributes to reducing the power of big tech. We are all paying fo…

> makes you more independent from big tech

Citation requested. Big tech considers your IP address dishonorable, and blackholes your emails. How independent are you now when you can't email any providers that use blacklists?

> contributes to reducing the power of big tech

Again, citation requested. Big tech will just blackhole your emails and you'll only find out when your users complain.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by op00to »

hamdingers wrote: post #34
gethly wrote: post #9

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Was about to comment on this but you got right to the point. All of this is because people are lazy to build, let alone maintain, their own damn programs and servers.

A lot more people and organizations would self-host email if it wasn't a minefield. It's not laziness that Google and Microsoft have effectively decided nobody's allowed to do that.

I was part of a team ran EMail services for a ~15,000 person campus of a ~80,000 person university in the late 90s and early 00s. It was a full-time job for a team of people to keep things running, up to date, control spam, etc. It was a minefield 25 years ago! Literal years before GMail was a thing.

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Post by ies7 »

stingraycharles wrote: post #68
mosura wrote: post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

These sentences are what I would used to describe Google 10 years ago.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by op00to »

zenmac wrote: post #250
nicoburns wrote: post #222

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> After researching the topic it turned out that the internet now runs on an IP reputation system. Major email services like gmail assume that anything sent from unknown IPs is malicious. You have to buy/rent a dedicated IP address (that you'll be able to keep long term), and it warm it up by gradually increasing mail volume over a few months to weeks. But once you have, deliverability shoudl be fine. I think the big…

Like the parent have ran Email servers for many years now. If you get a bad IP, as long as you get the DKIM records right, over time it will 'warm' up the IP. And the more you use the email on that IP and NOT spam people. The IP will warm up. Make sure you actually own that IP!!! It will become valuable.

This does you no good for the months or years it takes to "warm up" your email while your messages are getting thrown into the trash.

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Post by SilverElfin »

6thbit wrote: post #247

> Today, we're excited to announce just that: the private beta of Email Sending, a new capability that allows you to send transactional emails directly from Cloudflare Workers. So many comments here assumed from the title they're offering a hosted email service, they aren't, they are announcing their own Sendgrid.

What’s the point of it for Cloudflare? It feels like they’re randomly offering different products. Are they trying to be a full cloud platform like everyone else? If not, then what?

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Post by jamescrowley »

keeda wrote: post #178

What are people's experiences using their current Email Routing service? Mine wasn't great -- right after I set it up I could not get a single test email through to my recipient account despite multiple attempts. No delivery failure emails or any responses at all. Nothing on their dashboards either. Searching their community threads turned up several other folks who had encountered similar silent failures that were n…

I had a similar experience and backed away from using it - non-spam emails were getting spam filtered without visibility or notification.
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