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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #255
cosmic_cheese wrote: post #240

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Plasma isn't bad and better than Windows in most respects, but it's kind of the opposite of Omarchy in that it has a trillion toggles and its defaults don't work for many, so a good deal of tweaking is required to make it "cozy".

I'm curious which defaults you find so unusable. I'm rather fiddly and particular, but I haven't done much more to my KDE setup than disable mouse acceleration.

It's less about any specific setting and more that many aren't quite to my taste. It's usable, but getting to a place where I like it takes some time.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by _bent »

nemomarx wrote: post #68
leoc wrote: post #47

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I have to say, a single announcement that Cloudflare is sponsoring specifically these two projects does start to look a bit like an attempt to curry favour with the grassroots part of the tech right: give “their guys” some money and praise and maybe they’ll stay off Cloudflare’s back for a bit. And to be clear, that’s not to say that it’s bad to sponsor Ladybird, or maybe even Omarchy.

Is Ladybird a tech right thing?

Somewhat - Kling is explicitly 'apolitical' and this always attracts a certain ilk of people.

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And - maybe this is a stretch, but you also have to consider that the competing product (Servo) is written in Rust, while Ladybird is C++.

From what you read on hn, I think Rusts community being very liberal sort of resulted in memory safety being perceived as a culture war thing by some; ("authoritarian big compiler is forcing you to not free this memory" vs "the handmade c programmer with his artisanal allocations"). So Ladybird not being written in a safe language might be part of the appeal.

And I know that Ladybird is supposed to adopt Swift, but I don't think any single LOC has been written yet?

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by [deleted] »

VerminOctopus1 wrote: post #288
okanat wrote: post #239

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Servo was a side-project. Mozilla laid off the Servo team. Its development then stopped. It eventually found a home in Linux Foundation but it lost the initial acceleration. It lost the ambition. Many key developers moved on. Whatever nature your project is, closed or open source, when you lose key people and stop training new ones, the project slowly dies. People matter much much more than the license or the parent…

There is a leader with a strong vision sure, but how long will he stick with it? We’ve seen him completely abandon a few projects now.

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by [deleted] »

sauercrowd wrote: post #179
pkulak wrote: post #167

Why is it that Servo has been around for ages, chugging along, making progress, and then Ladybird comes along and gets, pretty much instantly, anointed as the last great hope against Chrome? What does everyone else know about Servo that I don't?

I can think of two reasons - it's a browser engine, not a browser - it was created and maintained for the longest time by mozilla, before the linux foundation took over a couple years ago. That creates history and governance that I could image puts of contributors or the broader excitement

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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

xenelor wrote: post #275

The hype around Omarchy is just insane.. It is not an installer script (anymore), so instead you have to download a 7GB ISO file (in the name of 'good UX') that ships with Zoom, Spotify, Hey, Basecamp, Steam, Minecraft (??), etc. but you still end up using the same package mirrors (arch's). If it was an install script, like LARBS or many others (before and after omarchy), I'd (almost) get it. If it was a derivative d…

People distro hop all the time for out of the box experience. Very few enjoy configuring their desktop to perfection, because frankly it's a huge PITA with everything being split between a thousand control panels and config files with differing conventions and levels of documentation.

When a distro with a default configuration close to what some group of users is looking for shows up, that's exciting to that group because it's that much less fiddling they need to think about, and perhaps most importantly it's not going to randomly break on them one day because it's represented in the distribution's testing.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by pessimizer »

delusional wrote: post #202
philipallstar wrote: post #182

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> This is quite simple and history bears it out: you can't rely on a for-profit corporation to operate in any other manner than optimizing shareholder value. This is like saying that history bears out that you can't rely on governments to do anything but prepare for war and then send you out to die in one.

That's ahistoric. Democratic governments are correlated with a _decrease_ in violent conflict.

No they are not. DPT is just about "democratic" government having conflicts with each other. They find it difficult because they are economically intertwined. They have no such problem preying on other countries, often in cooperation.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by pseudosavant »

fabrice_d wrote: post #204
FinnKuhn wrote: post #159

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Before they swapped Edge over to use Chromium they were capable of maintaining their own engine just fine. Probably not overnight, but in the past they have shown that they have the budget to support a browser engine if they want to.

Why do you think they moved to Chromium then? They switched because they could not support a competitive engine by themselves.

Because no amount of money was going to solve the problem of people saying they think Microsoft's browser is slower/worse/etc. Switching to Chromium negated that in a way nothing else could.

When Microsoft beat Netscape with IE, it was by building a far better browser. Google is a stronger competitor than Netscape ever was though. Without Google dropping the ball (like Netscape), Microsoft would never exceed Chrome's performance by enough to be the fastest, most compatible (with Chrome), etc.

It is also just classic Microsoft when they are hungry. Like making Word use WordPerfect files and keyboard shortcuts. Only today it is that their browser is mostly Google, Linux is built into Windows 11, SQL Server ships on Linux, and their most popular IDE is open-source built on open tech (Electron) they didn't create.

When they get threatened, nothing is too sacred for Microsoft to kill or adopt.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by superkuh »

blahyawnblah wrote: post #188
superkuh wrote: post #164

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Cloudflare is running the largest and longest denial of service attacks in the history of the internet by acting as arbitrary gatekeeper to important government sites like congress.gov. I haven't been able to load it in years.

It loads fine for me. Maybe you have some other problem?

Nope. It's because the cloudflare captchas require a bleeding edge browser. If one uses a modern commercial browser it works and you've never even presented with a captcha. But in both cases I am tunneling to a VPS to avoid Comcast/Xfinity's MITM injections of javascript into pages and that adds some oddness to my connections. Comcast has a monopoly on high speed internet in my town and I cannot even get DSL or I'd switch.

Lacking lived experience re: discrimination is something that's pretty common. I hate to compare my entirely optional 'software veganism' struggles with real discrmination issues, but just because you don't experience discrimination doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I go to online stores, government services, even places of recreation and I get denied service because I have to tunnel to avoid my ISP's unethical practices and I don't use a cloudflare approved browser. It feels bad.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by doublerabbit »

lkbm wrote: post #276
nerpderp82 wrote: post #266

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So you are saying they don't penalize browser from not being Chrome and then link to a specific mechanism that they are allow listing Safari. That goes directly counter to what you are claiming. I have seen it myself, from my own system. Firefox, almost impossible to use the web due to non-stop bot checks by CF. For the same session, same site(s), I give up and use Chrome, with all the same browser extensions, and I…

Firefox on macOS is fine. I've been using it as my primary browser for years. I consistently get captchas on archive.is (and just verified I also do on Brave), but rarely see it elsewhere. I don't know the cause of what you're seeing, but it's not simply Firefox.

I get them with Firefox on FreeBSD. Chromium on FreeBSD less so.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by Santosh83 »

nkotov wrote: post #133
SoKamil wrote: post #48

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I agree with you. But that’s the reality we have to deal with.

No we don't. We're accepting it as if it's our only option.

Yes most web properties have voluntarily adopted Cf as their only protection option. Do you or I have the power to get hundreds of millions if not billions of these properties off of Cf? No, so yes they're a reality of the Web at this point, sadly. They can be no more avoided than say the tier 1 ISPs.
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