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I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by someguyiguess »

heavyset_go wrote: post #254
hbn wrote: post #241

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You can also just tell them to get an M2 MacBook Air for $800. You'll have to do near zero troubleshooting, it'll last them the better part of a decade, they get unmatched battery life and hardware reliability, and if they do run into issues they'll have top-of-its-class support from Apple. I know Linux guys don't mind putting up with the Linux experience but if your family is trusting you as "the techie," you'd be d…

> You can also just tell them to get an M2 MacBook Air for $800 Yes, you will find that most material problems can be solved by buying more stuff. If they wanted to buy a new laptop, they would have done that. > You'll have to do near zero troubleshooting That's the case now. Meanwhile, with the Macs they use, I have to explain that there's a difference between Intel and ARM Macs, that no, their software won't work i…

I'm a huge Linux fan but "it just works" is not a phrase I'd use in the same paragraph as Linux. Try explaining to your grandma that she needs to open a terminal and run "sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade"

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by MoltenMan »

shirro wrote: post #252

I don't remember having "range anxiety" under S3 suspend on my old intel laptops. It just worked and they woke up reasonably reliably and quickly under linux if you had a regular thin and light with integrated graphics. I had an Apple intel laptop that might have been marginally faster returning to life but it basically just worked on either. The move to modern standby has been a mess. It seems to have improved a lot…

Only mildly relevant, but I dualboot windows and arch on my xps and decided to disable the grub boot screen timer... Accidentally left my laptop in grub mode for a few hours and it was toasty

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by branko_d »

zdragnar wrote: post #188
ndiddy wrote: post #165

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> On Windows/macOS it just works, on Linux you'll probably break secure boot with it. The way it works on my Windows laptop is it’ll stay in sleep overnight, then when I open the laptop in the morning it’ll wake up, then hibernate itself, then I have to wait for the computer to turn itself back on. Thankfully this feature can be turned off.

The way it works on mine is that I open it in the morning to find it powered off because it chose to force quit my running applications to apply updates.

That’s my experience too. It’s so infuriating!

The solution is to disable Wake Timers.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by osigurdson »

maverwa wrote: post #17

The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…

Is the Mac actually hibernating though?

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by heavyset_go »

ekianjo wrote: post #286
Borealid wrote: post #189

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The term to search for is "UKI". A UKI is a kernel+initramfs+boot-arguments bundle all as a single WinPE/UEFI executable using the "EFI Stub Loader". You configure your system firmware to execute it, passing no arguments. It boots using the command line you set earlier. It's signed, and verified by the platform secure boot. Hibernation works fine with this approach.

> Hibernation works fine with this approach. Can you explain why it improves the hibernation behavior? I have seen UKI mentioned before but never heard that it improves hibernation.

It doesn't, it's just another bootstrapping method that happens to work fine with hibernation.

UKI allows you to extend your chain of trust from the bootloader to ramdisk, instead of just your bootloader and kernel. From there, you can enable kernel lockdown and checking of module signatures if you want to.

I think you can do the same thing without UKI (I forget tbh), but UKI simplifies it with one UEFI executable that doesn't even need a bootloader.

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Post by WillAdams »

zhivota wrote: post #224
WillAdams wrote: post #156

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Does Command tab not do this? It brings up a list of applications in most recently to least recently used order, so two apps switched to/from will constantly switch places.

Not if the windows are both from the same program. Then it's a different keybind, CMD-~ which doesn't have the same priority order style as CMD-Tab. I get caught up on this constantly, to the point where I decided to stop using one Chrome window under my work profile, and one under my personal profile, just so I can have my personal browser under a different program so CMD-Tab works better.

Is that window priority order governed by the OS or the application?

I don't recall the difficulty you mention happening with Safari.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by colonial »

999900000999 wrote: post #87

I want to love framework, and I really do want to get behind their mission, but a few things stand out. First and this is the elephant in the room, it's probably better for the environment to buy a refurbished think pad. The most environmentally friendly product is one that gets reused instead of going to a landfill. The 13-in framework only offers one SSD slot, The expansion Bay offers a nice storage option but thes…

> if you're popping in and out expansion cards all the time eventually the ports are going to fail which seems like a really weird design choice

Anecdotally, I've developed a bad habit of fidgeting with my expansion cards by popping them in and out. I've probably put them through several hundred cycles like that and they still work fine - I think the fact that the cards are "rail-roaded" into the slots helps a lot, since it makes it very difficult to apply pressure at an angle to the internal USB-C port.

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