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I have loved it since '99, when my friends used to tell me that to be a linux admin you have to stay up late because midnight commander works only after midnight ! Slackware 7 <3
Right now, is it after midnight, or before midnight, where you live?
I've been using OneCommander [1] on Windows for a few years now, it's great. Also dual pane with lots of extra features and active development. [1] https://www.onecommander.com/
I think the best tool for Windows is Total Commander or TCUP if you want the kitchen sink included: https://tcup.pl/
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> None of the keyboard shortcuts were at all intuitive to me They're exactly the same as Norton Commander had been since the 80s.
Right, but other file managers didn't adopt them. Do you use Norton Commander keyboard shortcuts with Nautilus, Dolphin, Thunar, Windows Explorer, Finder, etc? Did anything else adopt most of them? Because if you're only appealing to those who used Norton Commander, that's not a big user base. Using Windows Explorer keyboard shortcuts, instead, would give you a vastly larger audience.
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> the most unergonomic keys mandating moving your hands off their resting place Touch typists always have to get their dig in. I've been using vim for 5 years now and still use up/dn/lf/rt - it's easier to find in a tactile manner with the right keyboard and makes MUCH more sense to the brain than hjkl. It's like 80ms travel, worst case. Even the gaming community got this more correct with wasd, in terms of key posit…
> it's easier to find in a tactile manner It isn't because your resting keys require NO finding, so will always be easier. > makes MUCH more sense to the brain than hjkl > Even the gaming community got this more correct with wasd, in terms of key positions that make sense to the brain Don't repeat the ancient hjkl mistake? What does your brain say to this simple counter? But more importantly, how does any of the nump…
You still need to find them unless your hand is glued to the resting keys and even if it were the resting keys might not be hjkl, and even if they are they will by default type hjkl and not move the cursor in any other software you ever use except vim.
(It can't be objectively measured of course but I am convinced anyone who can use vim without thinking has spent more time learning vim than they gained from using vim for other things) ;-)
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> it's easier to find in a tactile manner It isn't because your resting keys require NO finding, so will always be easier. > makes MUCH more sense to the brain than hjkl > Even the gaming community got this more correct with wasd, in terms of key positions that make sense to the brain Don't repeat the ancient hjkl mistake? What does your brain say to this simple counter? But more importantly, how does any of the nump…
>It isn't because your resting keys require NO finding, so will always be easier You still need to find them unless your hand is glued to the resting keys and even if it were the resting keys might not be hjkl, and even if they are they will by default type hjkl and not move the cursor in any other software you ever use except vim. (It can't be objectively measured of course but I am convinced anyone who can use vim…
It is, the hint is in the name!
> even if it were the resting keys might not be hjkl
So? Use the other resting keys, resting is key here, not their labels
> even if they are they will by default type hjkl and not move the cursor in any other software you ever use except vim.
Sorry, but your knowledge of the software world is too shallow, there are other apps that do that, specifically, file managers.
Also you can use them universally in all apps with an extra modifier (right alt to do everything with a single hand), so
> gained from using vim for other thing
will literally include every single app that uses cursor keys
After moving from Windows to MacOS mc is the closest to Total Commander - the only software that I’m still missing from MacOS. Reminds me to DOS Navigator and Volkov Commander or even FAR
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Right, but other file managers didn't adopt them. Do you use Norton Commander keyboard shortcuts with Nautilus, Dolphin, Thunar, Windows Explorer, Finder, etc? Did anything else adopt most of them? Because if you're only appealing to those who used Norton Commander, that's not a big user base. Using Windows Explorer keyboard shortcuts, instead, would give you a vastly larger audience.
None of those things existed when either program was written though, except maybe a very early Finder.
After moving from Windows to MacOS mc is the closest to Total Commander - the only software that I’m still missing from MacOS. Reminds me to DOS Navigator and Volkov Commander or even FAR
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At least in Russia, "orthodox" has an extra connotation that's not strictly coupled to church, akin more to "one true way", as in "orthodox way to learn a tech stack". With a negation, it becomes something like "wrong" or even "heretical", as in "pizza with pineapple".
The English word for that is "canonical".