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I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by ddalex »

herbst wrote: post #296
goldchainposse wrote: post #262

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I understand how the US and EU have different electrical outlets, voltages and frequencies. The systems developed independently, standardized on compatible versions locally, and standardizing globally would be very expensive and almost impossible to do safely. I don't understand how North America and Europe settled on different EV charging plugs.

I don't know how it is in the US but there is no one standard charging port here in Europe.

CCS2 is mandatory in europe

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by tonymet »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #299
tonymet wrote: post #298

My neighbor has an Ioniq 5, styling-wise it's cooler than my Tesla. Reminds me of Corrado -- one of my favorite cars. But we have had night and day experiences with charging our EVs. The supercharger network seems effortless & flawless -- almost too good. No payments, planning. The stations are clean, quiet & secluded. Just follow the Nav and charge. The third-party network has been a disaster for my neighbor. He's h…

I love how the Ioniq 5 looks, but it’s too long. I wish they sold a Bolt-sized cousin in the US, that would be perfect.

a true Corrado clone, below 3500 lbs , would be sick

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by jimnotgym »

mschuster91 wrote: post #211
jimnotgym wrote: post #200

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I had a leaf on demonstration for 24 hours. I was impressed with it. I drove the 50 miles to work and back, and put it on slow charge knowing I had 16 hours until I needed it. No problem. When I came to drive it in the morning it hadn't charged. It was actually a problem with the plug in the garage, it must have gone off a few minutes after I plugged it in. Now what? Wait 16 more hours? A couple of weeks later I went…

> It was actually a problem with the plug in the garage, it must have gone off a few minutes after I plugged it in. Now what? Wait 16 more hours? So what, that's something you find out once that your electric installation is shoddy enough to most likely be a fire risk (because the charger plug has a thermal protection built in!), fix it and then you won't have that problem again. And as the Leaf should have 150 miles…

50 miles each way...150 miles range turned into 10 miles left. So no.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by mort96 »

tonymet wrote: post #298

My neighbor has an Ioniq 5, styling-wise it's cooler than my Tesla. Reminds me of Corrado -- one of my favorite cars. But we have had night and day experiences with charging our EVs. The supercharger network seems effortless & flawless -- almost too good. No payments, planning. The stations are clean, quiet & secluded. Just follow the Nav and charge. The third-party network has been a disaster for my neighbor. He's h…

People tolerate other EVs in two ways:

1. You charge at home and typically drive relatively short distances, meaning you almost never have to interact with a commercial charger; or 2. If you need to rely on commercial chargers, you live in a part of the world where Tesla was never allowed to build a charging network monopoly (i.e anywhere outside the US), or in a part of the US where there's decent fast charging infrastructure

It sounds like your neighbour is unfortunate to require relatively frequent charging at commercial charging stations, in a part of the world where Tesla was allowed to build out a charging network monopoly.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by tonymet »

declan_roberts wrote: post #223

I drove a 2015 Nissan Leaf for almost 10 years before upgrading this year to a Model Y. When it comes to charging network Tesla is SO MUCH BETTER. It's hard to describe how much of a wild west other charging networks are. You have to download this app or that app, add a credit card here, add one there. De-rated charging handles absolutely everywhere.

I wrote this exact comment above. It's just insane when I hear how 3rd party chargers work. And I personally check charger pricing while I'm out and about. at least 30% are broken among the ones I find.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by MandieD »

asdff wrote: post #260
hellisothers wrote: post #209

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I would add one thing my family has complained about wrt road trip charging is it’s not just the time you wait to charge, it’s the time and games/anger dealing with all the people in line waiting to charge.

And this is with marginal EV adoption. Imagine if it was full scale the headaches that would come. I mean think of the current amount of gas stations around, that would be insufficient to cover EV demand due to the fact EVs need to linger for so much longer. So good bye to whatever in your town needs to be destroyed in order to park more cars and charge them. So much for walkable cities.

The big difference between public EV chargers and gas stations: you can put an EV charger anywhere you have electricity, and with far lower space requirements. My city is slowly converting a few street parking spots in busy areas to EV charging, and it takes very little room - I have no complaints as someone who mostly uses sidewalks and bike lanes. Where did you think people were parking their cars in cities before?

Parking garages are also getting EV chargers. My office garage just added a couple dozen, and I don't think it would be hard for them to convert more once the demand shows up.

And I've seen them starting to go in at the little rest stops on the Autobahn that up to now only had unattended toilets; they're being added to the big, nice rest stops with gas stations, too, of course.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by rogerrogerr »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #286
rogerrogerr wrote: post #266

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Note that many HN residents probably have too much MAGI - do your diligence on that tax credit before assuming you qualify.

The way dealerships roll rebates into their advertised prices is incredibly annoying if you don’t qualify. I kind of wonder if prices aren’t being inflated somewhat by dealers being able to put numbers that are ~$10k lower than reality out there.

I expect to see a severe price drop in both the used and new markets when these credits evaporate.

(Which is what you’d expect - of course free government money will raise prices above where they would be.)

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by herbst »

ddalex wrote: post #301
herbst wrote: post #296

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I don't know how it is in the US but there is no one standard charging port here in Europe.

CCS2 is mandatory in europe

I don't drive a RV, I just charge my campers batteries sometimes. I have 3 different connector cables from the common connectors I found in Switzerland, France and Italy only.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by Workaccount2 »

blank_fan_pill wrote: post #287
Workaccount2 wrote: post #256

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I was so close to pulling the trigger on one of these except for 3 factors: It's driving assist platform is now deprecated and no longer receiving area expansions (I know many could not care less), it's charging speed is pretty slow by today's norms, and it will likely retain almost no value as time goes on.

> it will likely retain almost no value as time goes on. If you're buying a car as an investment I have bad news for you...

Sure, but you can buy one for $12k and get almost nothing back, or buy a more modern EV for $25k and maybe get $13k back. In both cases you are losing $12k in a few years, but in one of the cases you get a more modern car.

Re: I bought the cheapest EV, a used Nissan Leaf

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Post by tonymet »

regnull wrote: post #246
declan_roberts wrote: post #223

I drove a 2015 Nissan Leaf for almost 10 years before upgrading this year to a Model Y. When it comes to charging network Tesla is SO MUCH BETTER. It's hard to describe how much of a wild west other charging networks are. You have to download this app or that app, add a credit card here, add one there. De-rated charging handles absolutely everywhere.

To be fair, non-Tesla networks are catching up. I moved from Tesla to BMW i4 (I had a quite significant disagreement with Elon when it comes to international politics), and I was worried about finding non-Tesla charges. I took a few long distance trips so far (US Northeast), and I had zero problems. Plus, if you are lucky, you get 2 year free charging from BMW, and they've enabled plug-and-charge recently. So, you ju…

which networks/providers are good?
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