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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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UK site blocking isn't done with DNS. I think they mess with routes at the ISP level. There's not much you can do except use a VPN.

4chan uses Cloudflare. Blocking routes to Cloudflare may have an interesting impact unless CF are cooperating with the UK. 4chan could stop using CF but their moderators will have to step up their game as CF is being used to detect and block CSAM.

ironic how CF will host 4chan and 8chan but not kiwifarms

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CF will cooperate with UK authorities because they're not in 4chan's business.

I doubt it heavily. CF has control over a large chunk of the global internet - they're not going to go thru their clients one by one and make sure they're doing age verification. That's absurd and far too expensive. The alternative to that is either: 1. UK blocks cloudflare (unlikely, come on now) 2. UK gives cloudflare a pass (fairly common) 3. Somewhere in-between. Maybe UK cares about highly visible people behind…

> they're not going to go thru their clients one by one and make sure they're doing age verification

no, they just drop customers when people complain that they host legal content they happen to disagree with (KF).

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Weirdly, the majority of the British public a) support age verification, b) aren't willing to use age verification themselves and c) don't think it'll actually work. https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/britons-back-online-safety-acts-...

Doesn’t seem weird at all, Britons are saying a) I agree children watching porn is bad but b) I value my privacy online and c) don’t think sending in photos of an ID is really going to stop kids. Actually seems pretty reasonable, and a reasonable democratic representative should look at that and say “well, how else can get A if method B is unpopular and unlikely to work?” Instead they seem to have conflated B with A.…

> Instead they seem to have conflated B with A. Maybe they are afraid that any criticism on this method is interpreted as attack on doing anything at all for kids watching porn on the internet or even twisted into some kind of endorsement.

In all fairness, I have seen quite a few people explicitly arguing "I want kids to watch porn" of late.

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Most people in websites like HN have absolutely no idea what 4chan is, how it works, and what kind of things people post in there. It shows because every time you read a comment here about 4chan you are confused as to what website they may be talking about.

Twitter is really not far from 4chan in 2025.

Always has been. A lot of prominent Twitter accounts in my primary language, especially the old ones, has telltales of having been on 2chan. net. There must be something to that format that installs a basic social media amplification skill in your brain that do not develop otherwise.

There are places more toxic than 4chan but skill levels don't compare, and 4chan and 2chan also share nothing culture wise, so it must be in the architecture.

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I wouldn't be so sure it's an ideological stand. 4chan got hacked a while back because they were running a totally outdated software stack. It's been pretty much abandoned by its owner hiromoot. If they aren't going to update the site for basic maintainance, they definitely aren't going to implement all this chat control/ age verification bullcrap. I suppose a resistance to change is good when your competitors are bu…

4chan got hacked because of some outdated dependency used for uploading PDF files, which was some obscure feature only available to some boards. The actual website does get maintained.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

How does step 5 work? Switching DNS servers is trivial.

And yet most people won't bother doing it.

Same way most attempts to stop piracy work. The people who are serious about getting around the blocks will find ways, but the less motivated will just give up (again, this is most people).

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This is part of a wider trend of trying to solve real world problems with the stroke of a pen. It’s not going well.

Just give up a few more rights…for everyone’s safety. Think of the children!

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It infuriates me just how much members of Congress have abdicated their jobs and given power to the president to make unilateral decisions. I wonder if we need a constitutional amendment (not that we could get such a thing to pass in this day and age), because it is a complete perversion of how our government is supposed to work. For a long time now I've been banging the drum of "don't put power in the president's ha…

Congressmen have to get reelected, so over the years they've been glad to abdicate power to the executive, the judiciary, and the unelected bureaucracy. Anyone but themselves, so they didn't have to sign their names to the unpopular policies they wanted. They still got what the ruling class wanted, but indirectly, so it rarely threatened their incumbency. Whatever happened, they could tell the votes back home, "Sorry…

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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"Allowing" UK residents to access the site? The UK is not the police of the Internet. 4chan is not a UK site and does not have to be aware of UK law. If the UK doesn't like it then it's their responsibility to stop their residents from accessing it. 4chan is complying with all the laws that apply to them.

Which is why it'll probably end up getting blocked at the ISP level for non-compliance.
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