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Open hardware desktop 3D printing is dead?

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Post by mrguyorama »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #108
clarionbell wrote: post #41

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Dependence on foreign power with potentially misaligned goal? Collapse of manufacturing sector, leading to rise in poverty?

There is no misaligned goal. China isn’t out to destroy the US. It’s more jealousy of being overpowered. It’s sad but I think this is ultimately the brutal truth we have to accept. There’s no other logical outlook on this. Literally if left to its own devices China isn’t interested in the war. The US is out to do everything to stop Chinas ascendency to become the new world power. And of course both sides as a result…

Why have they built innovative Taiwan invasion barges if they do not want war?

Building weapons to sink American carriers and boats and having a limited nuclear arsenal can be seen as trying to prevent the US from being able to blockade China from it's food and energy imports.

But there is no possible way to wave away the literal Taiwan invasion barges and the planning they signal. That's not something you build unless you plan on invading your island neighbor.

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

jwr wrote: post #250
hyperbovine wrote: post #125

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I want so much to like Prusa ... but the Bambu printer at my local makerspace costs half as much and is better in every way than the MK3S+ sitting in my basement. I'm fully aware that this is the result of shrewdness on the part of the Chinese, plus incompetence in the West, and it's so frustrating.

I don't even care much about cost, but the Bambu Lab printers are simply better. I have been selling my Prusas (MK3S+ and XL), because they are just too much of a hassle. Prusa has fallen behind in R&D, the Bambu Lab printers work better, are more automated, have more nicely engineered features (having to babysit my XL and wipe the dripping filament off the print heads was such a disappointment). And yes, I have had…

It cannot be overstated how critical good defaults and “just works” are for any kind of mass-market product.

Knobs and toggles to allow enthusiasts to dial in everything perfectly aren’t a bad thing. You don’t need make your product a featureless orb. That said, users shouldn’t need to tinker around with any of them to get up and running or for basic use.

This is where Bambu excels. More involved printers are simply not interesting for many people outside of the 3D printing sphere, even if they’d become enthusiasts after buying a printer. They need a “gateway drug” of a printer that’s dead simple to use and get good results out of to even consider buying one. After that they might go down the rabbithole and seek out more technical options, but jumping straight to tinkerville is just too far of a leap for most.

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Post by hyperbovine »

sarchertech wrote: post #283
trenchpilgrim wrote: post #160

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But you get better results from the Bambu. I care about the product of the manufacturing more than I care about the tools.

That depends on what you’re doing. For many things Prusa printers produce higher quality prints.

> For many things Prusa printers produce higher quality prints.

I have yet to have this happen, despite a lot of trying. The Bambu just works and the results are better. The Prusa requires constant recalibration and tuning, and still produces an inferior looking product. I'd love to be proven wrong here.

It's probably the case that somebody with a ton of experience can squeeze better results out of a Prusa ... but that kind of proves my point.

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Post by dvdkon »

jandrese wrote: post #200
izacus wrote: post #146

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The more I look into it, the more I'm convinced that current state of IP law is the rot at the core of western worlds technological stagnation. The rise of monopolistic megacorps, lack of independent innovation and enshittifcation can pretty much be traced back to the wide free market violating reach of current IP law. This article just highlights it and shows how China weaponized this weakness of the west and is suc…

It's telling that before the Patent system the solution was secretive guilds that jealously (sometimes lethally) guarded their secrets to avoid competition. This was obviously terrible since it greatly slowed down innovation. I'm not sure what the correct solution is to this problem. We want to avoid anything that causes a return of the guild system, but at the same time we don't want small inventors steamrolled by l…

I feel like patents are nowadays only used for things that would be easy to reverse-engineer or must be made public anyway. You can't recreate any modern technology by looking at patents, from semiconductor manufacturing to food processing.

So if patents have lost their original purpose, I don't see any value left in perpetuating the system.

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Post by hyperbovine »

umbra07 wrote: post #198
hyperbovine wrote: post #125

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I want so much to like Prusa ... but the Bambu printer at my local makerspace costs half as much and is better in every way than the MK3S+ sitting in my basement. I'm fully aware that this is the result of shrewdness on the part of the Chinese, plus incompetence in the West, and it's so frustrating.

But why are you using the MK3S+ as a comparison point, instead of an MK4/S or Core One?

Because I, unlike many people here apparently, possess a finite quantity of money.

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Post by otikik »

simpaticoder wrote: post #11

The real story here is that IP ownership is capital-intensive when it shouldn't be. Open-source and community-led IP contributions are grossly under-protected because of this, and those with capital become unopposed predators. This is a special-case of the more general observation that the justice system is capital-intensive when it shouldn't be. The answer is something you very rarely hear: the US (especially) needs…

> used by the wealthy to bully the poor

Working as intended then

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Post by skybrian »

hyperbovine wrote: post #303
sarchertech wrote: post #283

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That depends on what you’re doing. For many things Prusa printers produce higher quality prints.

> For many things Prusa printers produce higher quality prints. I have yet to have this happen, despite a lot of trying. The Bambu just works and the results are better. The Prusa requires constant recalibration and tuning, and still produces an inferior looking product. I'd love to be proven wrong here. It's probably the case that somebody with a ton of experience can squeeze better results out of a Prusa ... but th…

We are a version behind and the Mk4 is supposed to be better. I think that would be a fairer comparison to the Bambu?

I’m currently working on an upgrade to 3.5, which should at least give me better speed.

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Post by hobo_in_library »

taeric wrote: post #262
entropicdrifter wrote: post #257

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Ah yes, if only murder had been illegal back then! Yes, making murder illegal must have been what was missing. Sorry, but your argument has a bit of a silly premise.

That is silly. My point was that we have better law enforcement period. Are we currently perfect? Of course not. But to use that as your argument is, amusingly, a silly premise for an argument.

Yes, that's why the people behind the United whistle blower "suicide" or the Epstein "suicide" we promptly brought to justice /s

Our law enforcement is "better" when it comes to enforcing the law against the lower 99%. When it comes to enforcing it against the kind of people who're actually likely to kill to protect their secrets...good luck

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Post by martin-t »

pixl97 wrote: post #201
martin-t wrote: post #176

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It's not a binary too string / too weak. It's that _copyright_: - protects the wrong entities (corporations instead of individuals who did the real work) - IP should be collectively owned by the people who created it and selling it should be illegal, - is too long, yes - DMCA can be used to harass without actually owning the IP and there are no penalties - the fair use exception can be used to allow clear cases of pl…

>And obviously China is a global parasite. Britain said the same things about the US in the early days. We told them to f* off about copyright/patent stuff quite often.

Copyright/patents/laws are just tools. They can be used for both good and evil.

The early US had pro-social goals such as democracy or freedom. And yes, they used slaves because there are no good guys in history or politics, there's various shades of bad.

Current China has anti-social goals such as total control of the population through technological means and expansion by conquest - see them harassing the legitimate government of all of Chine in Taiwan constantly with the military or trying to sink Philipino fishing boats with their warships (two crashed into each other recently). It is also currently committing genocide through both murder and sterilization.

So yeah, I am totally for considering them a parasite and treating them as such.

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