Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

bsky.app

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

301–310 of 373 posts

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#301

Post by jahnu »

fuzzfactor wrote: post #298
oceansky wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Destroying is much easier than building something, including alliances, trust and deals.

Childish destruction is really in its own category too. I would say different US leaders over the decades have had varying degrees of financial acumen when it comes to being able to afford things like NATO, without contributing most strongly to pressure on poor & middle class. Though no doubt a truly rich country has been able to afford it through thick & thin, as long as there is decision-making consistently at abov…

Let’s not forget the party that does everything possible to help fool and cover for his behaviour and choices.

It’s madness. I’m deadly serious when I call this a Cultural Revolution.

It makes Brexit look like a kindergarten game.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#302

Post by UncleMeat »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #197

I expect most people here are (like me) admirers of Terence Tao, and fans of his work. But, if UCLA is indeed an institution that routinely violate civil rights law, would we still want our taxes to fund it? For those objecting to any reduction in federal funding, is this because: A) You believe UCLA complies with civil rights law (perhaps with small, isolated exceptions that are driven not by policy but by rogue emp…

Racial discrimination in admissions? Prior to SFFA, the admissions process used by major universities was sanctioned by the Supreme Court. And further, UCLA had even stricter rules about race in admissions coming from the state.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#303

Post by monocasa »

foobarian wrote: post #188
churchill wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. Glad someone else can see it. Having studied other settler colonial states (I believe), Israel realizes that Western weapons and doctrine guarantees they'll win every single confrontation with the Palestinians, just like the Rhodesians & Apartheid South Africa. Easily too, with insane KD ratios. Those two regimes won every battle easily, but what eventually did them in was sanctions. And, when the West…

What I don't understand is why not go along with letting at least WB or also Gaza get recognized as Palestine and do what India and Pakistan did going forward. Seems like it would be a lot more likely to work and a lot less risky. Maybe there are some special resources in either place?

A lot of geopolitics that leads to invasion is more about groupthink among whatever ruling class than any actual resource gains.

See Russia->Ukraine, US->Iraq, soon China->Taiwan.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#304

Post by rahimnathwani »

UncleMeat wrote: post #302
rahimnathwani wrote: post #197

I expect most people here are (like me) admirers of Terence Tao, and fans of his work. But, if UCLA is indeed an institution that routinely violate civil rights law, would we still want our taxes to fund it? For those objecting to any reduction in federal funding, is this because: A) You believe UCLA complies with civil rights law (perhaps with small, isolated exceptions that are driven not by policy but by rogue emp…

Racial discrimination in admissions? Prior to SFFA, the admissions process used by major universities was sanctioned by the Supreme Court. And further, UCLA had even stricter rules about race in admissions coming from the state.

  UCLA had even stricter rules about race in admissions coming from the state.
Do you believe that UCLA currently complies with Proposition 209, and has done so since it came into force?

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#305

Post by yongjik »

Den_VR wrote: post #41
mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

The root bsky post says “NSF is suspending roughly 300 grants with UCLA, following a DOJ finding on Tuesday that the university violated Title VI by "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students."” Which is entirely par for the course with the administration and doesn’t seem particularly targeted at Tao. I’m shocked even more NSF grants haven’t been hit, this was a prime DOGE target. The…

> "creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students."

So... did the dean make a public Nazi salute or something? The double standard (if we can even call it a "standard") is getting rather tiring.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#306

Post by fuzzfactor »

ethbr1 wrote: post #236
hackyhacky wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, but the university is not allowed to censor student speech based on content. The "actions" that the administration claims the university should have taken would have violated the constitution.

Furthermore, the redresses the administration has proposed in similar cases (like the university reporting students who protest to federal authorities) suggest this is more about federal power / censorship than furthering universal free speech.

Free speech just got a price put on its head, capisce?

For a one-time payment it may be able to slide this time, didn't Columbia University have an offer they couldn't refuse?

Pray the Don doesn't alter the deal . . .

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#307

Post by lupusreal »

throwaway290 wrote: post #251
hackyhacky wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shouting obscenities on the train, as well as hate speech broadly, are constitutionally protected under the first amendment. Creating a hostile environment for students based on their religion would violate the Civil Rights Act. However, there is a paucity of evidence that the universities did that. Allowing protests probably isn't sufficient, especially when prohibiting those same protests would be unconstitutional.…

Okay so if I get it correctly they could be kicked out like in the cinema or not, because like I assume regardless of free speech there are rules, but this "cinema" cannot be prosecuted by US gov for NOT kicking a noisy jerk out of it because then it becomes a free speech thing. If taking away grants counts as prosecution? I guess that makes sense.

State schools like UCLA cannot restrict speech in the same way that private organizations could, because they are part of the government. The cinema analogy is therefore spurious.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#308

Post by rahimnathwani »

ModernMech wrote: post #288
retinaros wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

democrats didn’t need as they controlled those institutions. they however did it to the police to punish them just like trump did to school. For education, It was their funding and they put in power the people that did the coercion, lied on their resume and instead of having the will to educate the students just pushed down their throats propaganda. if you were against BLM or even a bit vocal about the tactics and ne…

Democrats don't actually control those universities though. That's like saying Republicans control churches because churchgoers are more conservative on average. But we all know the Republican party isn't actually directing churches across the country, just as Democrats aren't directing universities. So I don't see what kind of precedent was set as far as use of executive power goes. You're saying because BLM happene…

  That's like saying Republicans control churches because churchgoers are more conservative on average.
Anyone can walk into a church and become part of the congregation.

Universities have gatekeepers.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#309

Post by insane_dreamer »

foobarian wrote: post #188
churchill wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. Glad someone else can see it. Having studied other settler colonial states (I believe), Israel realizes that Western weapons and doctrine guarantees they'll win every single confrontation with the Palestinians, just like the Rhodesians & Apartheid South Africa. Easily too, with insane KD ratios. Those two regimes won every battle easily, but what eventually did them in was sanctions. And, when the West…

What I don't understand is why not go along with letting at least WB or also Gaza get recognized as Palestine and do what India and Pakistan did going forward. Seems like it would be a lot more likely to work and a lot less risky. Maybe there are some special resources in either place?

A politically powerful segment of Israel is adamantly opposed to the two-state solution. And the strategic positioning of Israeli settlers over the years on WB land (in violation of signed treaties) has intentionally rendered establishing an independent WB as "logistically impossible" due to "security concerns" (protection of the settlers). There's no way forward without removing the settlers, and removing the settlers is political suicide in Israel, where hard-right parties have an oversized influence in the government.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

#310

Post by fuzzfactor »

pklausler wrote: post #271
yadiyadiyadi wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know... yesterday, I asked Google if Arnold Schwarzenegger was the tallest Mr Olympia of all time at 6'2. Their AI assistant told me that, no, he was not the tallest as there were several Mr Olympias who were taller at 5'5, 5'6 and 5'7. Just now? "No, Arnold Schwarzenegger is not the tallest Mr. Olympia. While he is a well-known and successful bodybuilder, his height is 6'2" (1.88m), which is not the tallest amon…

The physician's assistant recorded my height last week as 5'13". I'm worried now about "I" in general, not just "AI".

Maybe that would be more like "NI", for Natural Intelligence.

That's not very accurate terminology every time either, more like "lack of NI" ;)

I've been worried about that for a while before AI came up on the radar :)

Post reply on HN