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Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by bayindirh »

v3ss0n wrote: post #204
bayindirh wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eclipse (as in ecosystem) is fairly popular in Enterprise, but since it exposes all the knobs, and is a bona fide IDE which has some learning curve, people stay away from it. Also it used to be kinda heavy, but it became lighter because of Moore's law and good code management practices all over the board. I'm planning to deploy Theia in its web based form if possible, but still didn't have the time to tinker with tha…

Theia is different from eclipse IDE it's written in JS not in Java and didn't share any code base of eclipse which is fully Java

Yes, I know.

This is why I used "(as in ecosystem)" in the first paragraph. It was a bit late when I wrote this comment, and it turned out to be very blurry meaning wise.

My bad.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by charcircuit »

gpm wrote: post #237
charcircuit wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like saying every physical business is collecting PII because employees can technically take a photo of a customer. It's hard to do business without the possibility of collecting PII.

No, it's like saying a business that has a CCTV camera recording customers, and sending that data off site to a central location, where they proceed to proceed to use the data for some non-PII-related purpose (maybe they're tracking where in stores people walk, on average), are in fact sending PII to that off site location. Distinguishing factors from your example include 1. PII is actually encoded and handled by com…

I was giving a purely physical, analog example.

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Post by asimovDev »

jodrellblank wrote: post #242
sejje wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or "I'm a power user" of sorts. Probably a very small minority of users fiddle that setting. Dang said a similarly small minority of users here do all the commenting.

See: “Most of What You Read on the Internet is Written by Insane People” https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18881827

HN discussion of that link for anyone curious

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by charcircuit »

inetknght wrote: post #285
jodrellblank wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The PowerShell team at Microsoft added opt-out telemetry to track when it was launched so they could make the case internally that they should get more funding, and have more internal clout. It’s easy to argue that if you are a PowerShell user or developer you benefit from no telemetry, but it’s hard to argue that you benefit from the tool you use being sidelined or defunded because corporate thinks nobody uses it. “…

> it’s hard to argue that you benefit from the tool you use being sidelined or defunded because corporate thinks nobody uses it. Let the corporation suffer then. With an open API, a third party will make a better one. Microsoft can buy that; corporations have a habit of doing that. > “Talk to your users” doesn’t solve this because there are millions of computers running scripts Why are you worried about the problems…

>Let the corporation suffer then.

Corporations provide value to others. It's not just the corporation that is missing out.

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Post by bayindirh »

jodrellblank wrote: post #251
inetknght wrote: post #188

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> The software you use gets bugs fixed much faster since you get statistics that some bugs have higher impact than others. Try talking to your users instead. > The more users software has, less skills they have in average to accurately report any issues. No amount of telemetry will solve that.

The PowerShell team at Microsoft added opt-out telemetry to track when it was launched so they could make the case internally that they should get more funding, and have more internal clout. It’s easy to argue that if you are a PowerShell user or developer you benefit from no telemetry, but it’s hard to argue that you benefit from the tool you use being sidelined or defunded because corporate thinks nobody uses it. “…

This is a systemic problem on Microsoft's side, it's not an upside of telemetry.

To be clear, I consent to send telemetry from some of the tools I use and deploy.

Their common pattern? They wait a bit, and ask nicely about whether I want to participate. Also, the dialog box asking the question defaults to off.

I read the fine print, look a the data they push, ponder and decide whether I'm cool with it or not.

Give me choice, be upfront and transparent. Then we can have a conversation.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by bayindirh »

charcircuit wrote: post #304
inetknght wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it’s hard to argue that you benefit from the tool you use being sidelined or defunded because corporate thinks nobody uses it. Let the corporation suffer then. With an open API, a third party will make a better one. Microsoft can buy that; corporations have a habit of doing that. > “Talk to your users” doesn’t solve this because there are millions of computers running scripts Why are you worried about the problems…

>Let the corporation suffer then. Corporations provide value to others. It's not just the corporation that is missing out.

Corporations provide value to their shareholders. The things they sell and their customers are the product. They care about neither.

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Post by lastdong »

kookamamie wrote: post #298
barkingcat wrote: post #105

There's also the Eclipse VScode-look-alike-reimplementation called TheiaIDE https://theia-ide.org/ It was rough a few years ago, but nowadays it's pretty nice. TI rebuilt their Code Composer Studio using Theia so it does have some larger users. It has LSP support and the same Monaco editor backend - which is all I need. It's VSCode-with-an-Eclipse-feel to it - which might or might not be your cup of tea, but it's an…

> Try Theia IDE online click > Please login to use this demo close tab

Agreed not the most well thought landing page, but the explore page gives a good insight of how it’s being used and what it looks like: https://theia-ide.org/theia-platform/

(Scroll down to Selected Tools based on Eclipse Theia)

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Post by maven29 »

ipaddr wrote: post #219
cchance wrote: post #218

Am i the only one that finds System Information: Hardware specs, OS details, architecture Usage Patterns: Active time, session duration, feature usage Performance Metrics: Response times, resource consumption Unique Identifiers: Machine ID, user ID, device fingerprints Workspace Details: Project information, file paths (obfuscated) Not to really bad that obtrusive? Like i don't really see anything there that i'd be o…

I would not want to share these: Unique Identifiers: Machine ID, user ID, device fingerprints Workspace Details: Project information, file paths (obfuscated) Plus os details. I'd rather none.

How do you do abuse detection for free-tier without these?

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Post by pjmlp »

bayindirh wrote: post #143
jeffbee wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Cloud Shell is also Theia. I think it is fairly popular.

Eclipse (as in ecosystem) is fairly popular in Enterprise, but since it exposes all the knobs, and is a bona fide IDE which has some learning curve, people stay away from it. Also it used to be kinda heavy, but it became lighter because of Moore's law and good code management practices all over the board. I'm planning to deploy Theia in its web based form if possible, but still didn't have the time to tinker with tha…

Also to note that VSCode main architect was one of Eclipse architects, and co-author on GoF famous book, Erich Gamma.

Re: Performance and telemetry analysis of Trae IDE, ByteDance's VSCode fork

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Post by bayindirh »

pjmlp wrote: post #309
bayindirh wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eclipse (as in ecosystem) is fairly popular in Enterprise, but since it exposes all the knobs, and is a bona fide IDE which has some learning curve, people stay away from it. Also it used to be kinda heavy, but it became lighter because of Moore's law and good code management practices all over the board. I'm planning to deploy Theia in its web based form if possible, but still didn't have the time to tinker with tha…

Also to note that VSCode main architect was one of Eclipse architects, and co-author on GoF famous book, Erich Gamma.

Didn't know that. Now, that's interesting.

Using Eclipse as "the Java LSP" in VSCode makes more sense now.

Nevertheless, as much as I respect Erich for what he did for Eclipse, I won't be able to follow him to VSCode, since I don't respect Microsoft as much.

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