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Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Post by devman0 »

esseph wrote: post #95
Beijinger wrote: post #87

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Nothing beats a hardware token. I would also use Yubikey for banking, but I am scared as f. what happens if I lose it while traveling abroad.

Carry two, leave another in a safe somewhere in your home country? Otherwise, yeah... Passkey it is

The principle issue with hardware keys as implemented today via FIDO2 or U2F is that you can't enroll them without having them in your physical possession, which means if you have a backup key stored offsite, you have to fetch it anytime you sign up for a new service.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Post by paranoidrobot »

dbetteridge wrote: post #254
paranoidrobot wrote: post #168

The government where I live has a no-interest loan scheme for installing energy efficient appliances. Handy, so I used it to fund heat pumps and insulation. The scheme is administered by Brighte. I signed up on their website. Everything going well for 6 months or so. Then out of the blue, an email from them: "We just launched our app". Yeah, no, not interested. A few weeks later, another "You should use our app, it's…

Victoria? But agreed the push to apps sucks, I just assume in these cases it's so they can spam you with notifications about "new products" they're offering, like my bank likes to regularly offer me loans at terrible interest rates

Tasmania.

Yeah I'm assuming it's because they want to sell me more.

I'm probably not earning them much with the no-interest scheme. But their approach has guaranteed I won't use them for anything else - I was looking at financing the solar and battery system but this just put me off.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Post by EasyMark »

zholer wrote: post #215

The primary challenge here is that companies are hamstrung by browser-level API's by companies like Google and Apple where they provide them only if you build an app. This forces developers to keep maintaining and providing apps, even though every developer knows that their headaches would be less than halved if they could just support the same capabilities via browser-level apis.

the things I want a web app for are banks, shopping, various utilities, etc. They don't need a complex interface, and sticking to web standards should not be hard to be useful to 99% of the users out there, and should only simplify the developer's life.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Post by EasyMark »

Beijinger wrote: post #87
nehal3m wrote: post #84

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True, but it does force citizens into a contract with either Apple or Google. I don’t think that is a good idea both from the perspective of individual freedom and national sovereignty.

Nothing beats a hardware token. I would also use Yubikey for banking, but I am scared as f. what happens if I lose it while traveling abroad.

I don't want a hardware token generator since it is guaranteed that I will lose it.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Post by DanielHB »

craftkiller wrote: post #298
Gigachad wrote: post #253

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How does an app for Reddit make sense? It’s an image and text platform. There’s no weird hardware apis required. Native apps make sense when you need to tap in to platform specific features like the Lidar api and such. They don’t make any sense for most websites.

They would seamlessly in the background pre-cache all the articles and images coming up in your feed so if you had intermittent connections like on the subway, you could browse nearly[0] unaffected. [0] Unfortunately, the app I used in the before-time did not implement queuing for submitting comments/posts so that functionality was broken while you were between stations, and videos weren't cached.

Web apps can do that too with service workers, it is just a bit of a pain in the ass.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Post by [deleted] »

megablast wrote: post #176
dbtc wrote: post #161

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Chase Mobile for iOS is 350MB; far from 500, but still baffling why an app would need to be that large just to show me some numbers. Capital One is 435MB... Garmin Connect is 518MB for some stupid reason, while Strava is half that and Gaia GPS (great app), is under 100.

Is it? You can't easily tell with iOS apps because the container might be that big, but the app on your phone is a fraction of that. The container might contain multiple versions.

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Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Post by charcircuit »

thfuran wrote: post #235
charcircuit wrote: post #210

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Nostalgia changes how people perceive value. Network effects is about how exponential value can be gained from linear user growth. Boiling the frog us about slowly doing things to avoid changing how people perceive value. None of these are a sign a product has no value. No one would advertise with Facebook if there was no value from purchasing ad space. The billions of dollars people spend is evidence there is value…

> None of these are a sign a product has no value. You described the majority of those as being about the perception of value rather than value. >No one would advertise with Facebook if there was no value from purchasing ad space. The billions of dollars people spend is evidence there is value there for advertisers No one is disputing that the advertisers are getting value. The pursuit of advertiser value at the expe…

>You described the majority of those as being about the perception of value rather than value.

Which is why they weren't useful to bring up.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Post by charcircuit »

thfuran wrote: post #229
charcircuit wrote: post #186

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How about the value of being able to talk to people who share the same hobby you do. Or the value of being able to see a community made wiki about some topic you are trying to learn about. Even being able to see cat pictures is valuable to people.

You can do that on the website.

I never claimed it doesn't.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Post by notpushkin »

reactordev wrote: post #259
xtracto wrote: post #249

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This is so funny. For me, it was as if the "monkey's paw" had played me. Back in the early 2000s, I loved desktop applications. My thinking was that there's no way a web app could do what a desktop application could. I loathed slow, proprietary, online-requiring, HTML based web apps . 25 years have passed, and now we DO have some "native" device apps... but they are just HTML web elements bubdled in a freaking custom…

You never experienced the horror that is XAML. Not HTML, not native control either, it’s a weird middle ground of platform lock-in that you couldn’t escape until recently. What I miss are the days where one could Win32 call a window up, and it looked like every other. Not sugar for me and none for thee. I cut my teeth programming GUIs, I still like making GUIs - immediate mode guis, event based guis, animated guis an…

Svelte’s been pretty great in terms of “just use web standards where it makes sense” so far.
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