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The most effective exercise for weight loss is fork put-downs.
And plate push aways
And spoon reversals
Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds
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Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds
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I'm a fan of weightlifting, and agree that there are numerous health benefits to doing so, but I think the extra calorie burning is over-hyped. From what I've read you get 6-10 calories per pound of muscle per day, at rest. Not nothing, but for folks who aren't looking to body build I'm not sure it makes much of a difference. Or maybe over a long enough time span it does, I dunno.
Yeah it's not terrible, but having 10 extra pounds of muscle burning almost 100 calories a day extra, thats like a pound of fat every month and a bit.
And that is the same amount as having 10 extra pounds of fat burns.
1kg of muscle tissue burns pretty much identical amount of calories as 1kg of fat tissue. Heart, kidneys, brain etc. tissues burn more than muscles/fat, but you can't really grow those.
Xkg person's basic energy burn rate is the same, regardless of his fat percentage.
Therefore it is definitely a myth to promote weightlifting on the merits of muscles being some kind of great energy expenditure machine.
Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds
#303Unsurprisingly, the title is sensationalist and not representative of the study. The study compares energy expenditure across different economic groups i.e. western people sitting in offices versus hunter-gatherers in Africa, and found that difference in energy expenditure does not account for differences in obesity, so points to consumption as the likely reason. The sample dataset explicitly excluded 'athletes', so…
> anyone who has done extensive 'athletic' physical activity knows that if you don't up your calorie intake that you will lose weight. Anyone who has done extensive athletic physical activity knows that you will up your calorie intake unless you take explicit and intentional effort not to.
This depends on what you consider "extensive".
About 10 years ago I started taking 45 minute daily walks with no other changes in my diet or activities and the extra weight (about 15 lbs overweight) melted away. I made absolutely no effort to eat less and didn't get any hungrier.
Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds
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Also former fat guy here. I absolutely have not had that experience. I have easily maintained being fat (or even gained) while running 15-20k a week and walking everywhere. It's only when I actively moderate my eating have I lost weight. Otherwise I'd just slam down Oreos or whatever. It's stupid easy to get unfilling high calorie food. It's good that it worked for you, but it clearly doesn't work for everyone.
Exactly.
A 5k run is barely enough to cover a slice of cheesecake. But it _feels_ like a whole fricking cheesecake and a donut.
Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds
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I can confirm the same from my messenger days. On days when deliveries were sparse, we found ourselves moving from cafe to bakery, eating more pastries than a doctor would recommend. Regardless of the day's activity levels we would generally drink large amounts of beer after work and sometimes during. Maintaining weight and satisfying our appetites was always a more pressing concern. I'm not a dietician, but when I r…
what is "processed" versus "highly processed" versus "ultra processed"? the way these things are described feels very much like people are using a dowsing rod to find where to dig a well, or something. mumbo-jumbo. I'm sure even "super ultra giga processed" foods are fine for you so long as you don't eat a lot of them. I'm not even sure that "processed" is bad at all. I don't want to eat raw cashews, I'll die (as wil…
You are technically correct that processed foods are no less healthy than any other foods.
However they are engineered to be hyper palatable, meaning they taste way better than other foods and they will not satiate you even after eating and excessive amount.
Or to put it simply, it is really damn easy to eat a thousand calories of potato chips and still be hungry for "a real meal" but most people will tap out before eating a thousand calories of steak (12 to 16oz).
Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds
#306Unsurprisingly, the title is sensationalist and not representative of the study. The study compares energy expenditure across different economic groups i.e. western people sitting in offices versus hunter-gatherers in Africa, and found that difference in energy expenditure does not account for differences in obesity, so points to consumption as the likely reason. The sample dataset explicitly excluded 'athletes', so…
> The sample dataset explicitly excluded 'athletes', so would exclude people that _are_ outrunning a bad diet. You can't outrun a bad diet. This is such a myth and I have no idea where it's coming from. Perhaps it's a nice lie one can tell himself to continue eating junk and not feel guilty about it. Athletes, especially body builders require a lot of calories but their diet is surprisingly healthy. They eat plenty o…
>You can't outrun a bad diet.
You certainly can. If you eat Mcdonald's every day, that's a bad diet, and if you just sit around all day, you will gain weight. But the same person that eats the same exact McDonald's meal every day but also walks for an hour a day is going to be thinner. The real myth being perpetrated on this thread is that if you start walking an hour every day that somehow you will started eating more and that the only way to lose weight is to change your diet. This may be true if you eat a giant box of oreos every few hours, but it is certainly not true just because you have a "bad" diet. Eating healthier food is a good idea and I certainly recommend it, but it seems to me that the refusal of so many to accept that daily exercise in itself can lead to a healthier weight is a sign of denial by the overweight.
Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds
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Powerlifting does not take as many calories as you'd think. In fact, lifting in general is surprisingly easy on the calorie requirement, so most powerlifters and bodybuilders incorporate cardio as part of their routine. You will burn a lot more calories by walking 10,000 steps a day for 1 month than you would doing an intense lifting session each day. The reason you're probably thinking as to why lifters eat a huge a…
A vigorous weightlifting workout for an hour will burn about 400kcal[1], which is roughly equivalent to walking 10k steps depending on your body weight. Another way to think of this is 100 minutes of brisk walking will round out to about 400kcal. You don't really burn more calories walking, it's just easy to do and fit in around other things. [1] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323922#calculating...
Weird hill to die on - 400 is probably the top end for a super heavy day at a higher bodyweight - maybe deadlift primary and squat secondary day? Walking for 10,000 steps will every day will certainly burn more calories.
Regardless, people who lift aren’t eating more just because they burn a couple of hundred calories 2-5 times a week.
Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds
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Intensity of the workout matters. When I go wakeboarding with my wife I build up a nice big appetite. When I go to muay thai I get pretty severe appetite suppression and sometimes have to force myself to eat. The other thing is that if you track >>performance Nothing keeps me honest about my diet like performance
Your examples sound like fairly short-term biological responses to intense activity, which are likely different than long-term biological response to a significant increase in daily calorie expenditure. I've done a fair amount of wilderness backpacking. It's common to lose your appetite for the first few days due to the change in environment, schedule, activity, etc. But pretty quickly your body will realize this is…
I've been doing muay thai for the best part of a decade now, the appetite suppression is always there
Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds
#309This has been known for a very long time and is definitely not news worthy
This was only proven by Pontzer and others with double labelled water studies when the cost of double labelled water went down enough for testing with humans to become affordable. Initially it was so expensive that only trials with a few small animal subjects were done so doing this large study was impractical until recent years. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000291652...
Re: Diet, not lack of exercise, drives obesity, a new study finds
#310For most people, a 1 hour moderate run is only about 1-2 cookies worth (and only half a Crumbl cookie). Even a marathon run might only burn 2000 calories . a chipotle burrito is 1600 . In other words, for 95% of people doing activity, they shouldn't eat any surplus if their goal is to maintain or lose weight. It's actually best to do most of your activity undernourished, as it helps develop true intuitive nutrition f…
I don't think a chipotle burrito is actually 1600 calories unless you do something non-standard. Probably 800-1100
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