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Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by onecommentman »

quink wrote: post #67
AlexandrB wrote: post #53

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I don't know about the others, but Toyota has had some issues recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klyb2VrACZc&t=47s

New cars... but a 22 year old used Toyota, like mine, seems perfectly fine. Sure, it'll kill me because of the comparative lack of safety, but that seems like a minor sacrifice in the face of needing to deal with a new car. It also doesn't have pillars the thickness of an elephant's legs, like all new cars, significantly less compromising to visibility all around. It also lacks the now ubiquitous square and raised bo…

If you are of a certain age, have the ready cash and if new cars are truly safer than old cars, then do society a favor and buy the new car. It’s cheaper for society to make a new car that keeps the aging driver, passengers and other drivers and pedestrians safe, than to pay to fix even one broken old person.

I’ve got a 2025 sedan with all the newest safety features, and what you lose in visibility you more than gain in general situational awareness, especially with aging eyes, ears, etc.. Managing display and alarm complexities is the challenge, though, since the aging population also have issues there. A driving training simulator at the dealership for these new sedans for the elderly would be a big help, since many of the safety options are only active in a vehicle under motion. The temptation for the aged is just to shut these confusing options off as too complex, thus losing the safety advantage.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by mizzao »

owenthejumper wrote: post #79
stblack wrote: post #6

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Here's the url for that subreddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/VolvoEX90/ Edit: OMG!

It feels like Volvo is stuck in a sort of a cargo cult like situation. Modern car has to be software defined, so let's define the car by software. Except one of the reddit posts claims Volvo outsourced the development to Infosys. With predictable results...

Hardware companies outsourcing software development to dev shops is almost always an avoidable disaster, unfortunately.

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Post by xarope »

thesz wrote: post #84
daedrdev wrote: post #43

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Not even, BYD and other Chinese car companies make great, reliable cars. This is simply Volvo intentionally and likely knowingly cheating out as much as possible to make a quick buck, burning their brand in the process

> great, reliable cars There was fuel tank burst open in cold weather overnight incident, sudden fires and explosions of (presumable hybrid) Chinese cars, etc. Chinese cars are not on market for time enough to even consider their reliability. Let's wait for ten years, at the very least. The quality of ride of Chinese cars is not even close to their European counterparts, children get sick even on the front row in ten…

I rode in a BYD 3 years ago that made me car sick. But recently rode in another, felt like a lexus. Anecdata sample size=1.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by decryption »

I have a 2024 Volvo EX30, driven it about 11,000km. It uses the same computer system platform as the EX90 and while it's not fantastic (my previous Tesla is superior), it's better than most EVs I've driven and hasn't given me any problems. I love the car, so it's a shame the more expensive and "luxury" EX90 is plagued by these issues.

That said, Volvo Canada really needs to lift its game and just give the guy a new car already. Hope the bad PR and lawsuit gets Volvo to realise their mistake, apologise and refund him.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

matthewfcarlson wrote: post #95
mttch wrote: post #88

I wouldn’t buy Tesla again but I’ve never experienced software issues in mine. Although some of the menus could be re-arranged for clarity, it’s otherwise clear and responsive. The app is great and the third party apps are even better. I’ve not heard positive things from VW or MG owners in terms of software either. Is there any good alternative to Tesla in this domain?

I was recently shopping for a new car and looked at Volvo. We've had a Model Y for a few years now and when the Volvo salesperson proudly showed us how the truck height could be set by holding the button, I asked "is that a global setting or does it remember where it is when you set the height?" The salesperson looked at me like I was crazy and confirmed it was global (the Y remembers what the proper height is at var…

You probably meant trunk (aka tailgate) height?

Model Y doesn't have adjustable suspension lol.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

AlexandrB wrote: post #80
breadwinner wrote: post #51

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I rented an Audi Q7 for a week recently. The drive quality of the car is excellent. But the software is terrible. Just getting CarPlay to work every time is a challenge. I will not be buying an Audi any time soon. As more and more of the vehicle's experience becomes software controlled, manufacturers who don't have good software development teams are going to lose out. German companies don't seem to understand the gr…

Software is indeed a differentiator, as in I want as little as possible of that shit in my car. Any car where all the controls are on a giant iPad in the middle are a non-starter for me.

Plot twist - most carmakers button implementations are no better than giant iPad. Special hell to ones making dedicated climate controls using touch surfaces.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Demiurge wrote: post #284
dzhiurgis wrote: post #185

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I agree it's not deadly critical, but if you can't pass state inspection with broken screen/engine light/broken stop light then case is clear.

They have cars these days that put essential climate, infotainment, and other controls being a screen. This could be a lot worse than just a false positive check engine light.

In Tesla's speed and "engine" warning lights are on screen. IMO it's not really critical, given you can reboot the screen while driving. There aren't any "controls" on screen, idk what you are waffling about.

Re: Unsafe and Unpredictable: My Volvo EX90 Experience

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Post by wenc »

eckelhesten wrote: post #12

Volvo sadly no longer stands for Swedish quality and safety. What you’re buying is essentially an overpriced Chinese car with Volvo stickers. And I’m saying this as a Swede. Buy German cars, specifically within the Volkswagen auto group (Audi, VW, Skoda etc) if you want reliable quality.

> Volvo sadly no longer stands for Swedish quality and safety. > What you’re buying is essentially an overpriced Chinese car with Volvo stickers. > And I’m saying this as a Swede. Buy German cars, specifically within the Volkswagen auto group (Audi, VW, Skoda etc) if you want reliable quality.

I feel it's quite off-base to associate the quality of a car to a country. The quality of a car is a statistical quantity that's mostly related to a specific model of car.

There are at least 3 wrong insinuations in the above post.

1. Volvo engineering is still mostly based in Sweden. Geely has mostly not touched it. So it's still Swedish -- thus it is still Swedish quality and safety. If it has gone down, then it's Swedish quality and safety that has gone down.

2. Many Chinese cars are now high quality.

3. That countries are correlated with quality is a lazy mental shortcut. Many Mitsubishi are not high quality, despite being Japanese.

Also the Volvo EX90 (in the article) is made in Charleston SC.

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