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UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by Henchman21 »

Hikikomori wrote: post #258
freedomben wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For anyone that wants a good (and fair) example of this, check out his positions on the debt ceiling going back to 2012 (and then on every time it's come up since). When he isn't in power raising the debt ceiling is Unamerican, a political ploy and bad. When he is in power, it should be scrapped entirely and should be above politics. He was remarkably frank about it in an interview a year or two ago when he was runni…

That's just regular old two Santas playbook republicans been running since Reagan.

Having observed this for a lifetime, and simultaneously watching the democrats be unable to call out the switch is so incredibly disheartening. It's like watching a cat playing with a mouse before it kills it.

I think we're up to the killing part now.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by f33d5173 »

greatgib wrote: post #299

The attack on privacy does kind of make sense when your remember that it is a freaking monarchy with all the inhabitants being subjects. Probably well deserved to them if it was not contagious in Europe at the moment. That being said, the crazy thing about this law and the other ones similar is this: Under the terms of the legislation, recipients of such a notice are unable to discuss the matter publicly, even with c…

> The attack on privacy does kind of make sense when your remember that it is a freaking monarchy with all the inhabitants being subjects.

That has absolutely nothing to do with it. This was an act of parliament spearheaded by the house of commons which is entirely democratically elected. The UK has no one but themselves to blame for this.

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Post by heavyset_go »

nl wrote: post #290
theturtletalks wrote: post #273

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Even in the US, even if Apple doesn’t have a backdoor, isn’t NSA linked up into the telecom companies already?

The whole point of encryption in transit is that it doesn't matter if the telecom companies aren't trusted: they still can't read the data.

All the in-transit encryption in the world won't matter if they've pwned the decrypted client device.

Every company from your device's manufacturer, OS vendor, telecom carrier, app distributors and 3rd party software providers can be compelled to help make that happen.

And then there's always Cellebrite and friends.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by aydyn »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #279
caycep wrote: post #168

I don't get why the UK always does this. it's like GSM encryption all over again. Is it a particularly snoop-ey culture stemming from GCHQ or something?

The UK has always been a nanny state. Moore was writing about this decades ago.

Given how common Moore is as family name it might be helpful to specify which Moore.

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Post by aydyn »

harvey9 wrote: post #32
lenerdenator wrote: post #17

That surprises me, honestly. Makes you wonder what the British government got in return for forgetting about the encryption loicence idea.

Probably nothing. they have neither leverage nor negotiating talent.

It reminds me of when a UK news anchor questioned a Chinese diplomat on the general mistrust of the Chinese government by British politicians.

The response was essentially: "Why? You are nothing". Britbongs stay losing.

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Post by reactordev »

Silhouette wrote: post #298
reactordev wrote: post #286

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Why should I disclose public domain knowledge when it’s public? The whole point was to point out there’s ways that aren’t public being used. Believe it or not, I actually care about privacy. Innuendo is not my intent, no maliciousness here, only stating there are programs that have access to your data. Telegram/Signal/Encrypted or not. They don’t need access to your device. Only access to the Internet.

The whole point was to point out there’s ways that aren’t public being used. For which you have provided not a shred of evidence here beyond the same type of innuendo you've been posting all along - even while implying that some of this is public knowledge that you could therefore cite to establish at least some credibility. Your claims in combination appear to require that the technical foundation on which almost al…

From 7 months ago which is already old information: https://www.dhs.gov/ai/use-case-inventory/ice

It’s not extraordinary if you’re in this space. This is but one of many such initiatives. A few have already been in the works for years.

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Post by ThrowawayTestr »

aydyn wrote: post #305
ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK has always been a nanny state. Moore was writing about this decades ago.

Given how common Moore is as family name it might be helpful to specify which Moore.

Is there more than one Moore that has written authoritarian fiction set in the UK?

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by aydyn »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #308
aydyn wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given how common Moore is as family name it might be helpful to specify which Moore.

Is there more than one Moore that has written authoritarian fiction set in the UK?

Consider that "moore UK authoritarianism" turned up zero relevant search results.

You shouldn't over-estimate the popularity of your favorite comic book authors.

Re: UK backing down on Apple encryption backdoor after pressure from US

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Post by jesseendahl »

heavyset_go wrote: post #304
nl wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole point of encryption in transit is that it doesn't matter if the telecom companies aren't trusted: they still can't read the data.

All the in-transit encryption in the world won't matter if they've pwned the decrypted client device. Every company from your device's manufacturer, OS vendor, telecom carrier, app distributors and 3rd party software providers can be compelled to help make that happen. And then there's always Cellebrite and friends.

This is not just encryption in transit or simplistic client-side encryption.

It is end-to-end encryption, where each device's key generation is handled by your phone's Secure Enclave.

This article is a decent starting point in terms of what Advanced Data Protection is:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/102651

If you want a deeper dive into the security engineering of iCloud Keychain, the second half of this Blackhat talk by Apple's head of Security Engineering & Architecture (SEAR) is really great:

Synchronizing secrets: https://youtu.be/BLGFriOKz6U?si=cY94TYo28bRj4G7y&t=1357

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