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Anything is better than what we have and ranked choice voting is the most popular alternative.
If you're doing a new thing anyway then it makes no sense to do something worse instead of something better. Popularity is determined by people; make the better thing the popular one.
OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D
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Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D
#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The recent (-ly undone) change went against decades of how things were, was crippling for medium size cashflow-positive startups, effectively increased taxes, etc. But it was really just a straightforward application of the general principles that apply to most everything else. The error was in reconciling them by getting rid of it for software R&D instead of allowing other business expenses to be deducted when the…
Sure, a lot of that understanding was included in my recognition of the downsides. The fundamental dynamic is that the government wants there to be a forcing function on having to actually realize profits, so that taxes have to be paid in a timely fashion. They don't want people to be able to reinvest all of the effective profit and keep kicking the can into the future indefinitely. Capital gains and retirement plans…
I would have to question whether that is actually a good policy.
To begin with, it doesn't work unless you do it consistently, which they don't. Then businesses defer the taxes anyway, and you get huge market distortions because it majorly affects where investments go, e.g. we're then lacking for sufficient housing construction because it's heavily disfavored by the tax code over alternatives. But doing it consistently also doesn't work because many of the industries that have exemptions have them because they would implode without them. In particular, anything that experiences significant foreign competition would be screwed as soon as the other country does it the other way. It would also create bad incentives -- you'd have to get rid of the retirement deferral, damage everyone's retirement savings and create perverse incentives for immediate spending over saving/investing.
Moreover, the main reason we use an income tax instead of a consumption tax is in order to have a progressive rate structure. If you want to put a different effective rate on someone who spends $1M/year than someone to spends $10k/year, a merchant collecting the tax at the point of sale wouldn't know what rate to charge. (There are also other ways to achieve this, like combining a flat consumption tax with a UBI to achieve the desired effective rate curve, but that's a more systemic change.)
But if you allow business expenses to be deducted immediately, that's another path to having a consumption tax with a progressive effective rate curve. The rate can be higher for the people who spend more but you still have to pay the tax when you want to buy a yacht or a personal mansion. It also gives you a way out of the "they borrow money to avoid realizing capital gains" thing: Make the loan taxable income in the year it's taken out and a deduction in the year it's paid back, but if it's a business loan then you get a canceling deduction when you take it out and invest it (and the same for e.g. student loans), which makes it so you can't spend the money on personal consumption without paying the tax.
Meanwhile if you always reinvest 100% of profits then you don't pay tax until you stop, but that's what we want them to do. Build housing, hire people, invent things, donate to charity. These things are tax deductions on purpose.
Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D
#303Meanwhile, in Canada, not only can you expense R&D, but there is a cashable tax refund that will give you back about 60% of your developers’ salaries…
You can only expense Canadian R&D expenses; meaning anything that is not completely used up almost immediately is treated as an asset. This makes almost no difference for software development, but is very important (and disadvantageous) in more capital-intensive industries.
Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D
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So it means that indirectly, developers' salaries are not a taxable income in Canada if they are working on R&D? Meaning, they do pay taxes on their income, but their employer gets those taxes back, so if tax is 60%, the employer could pay 250% of what they'd pay otherwise, get 150% back, then the developer pays 150% of taxes, and gets 100%, so in effect the salary is tax-free. Is that what you meant to say? If so, i…
There are many limits on SR&ED, and the reporting/auditing process is burdensome. Canada also suffers from a variety of other inconveniences, mostly related to its dependence on resource extraction-related industries.
Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D
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Yeah - that’s the hard part now - dialing things down to eliminate the divergent paths the AI can take to implement what you want. You can tell it “implement feature X” and it’ll go and do whatever’s easiest for it, often something dumb, that’s when people usually think “it’s dumb, won’t replace devs” and give up. Or you can nail down your requirements by talking to it and describing what you’re looking for, often it…
> in the end your output is significantly increased. The claim you're arguing against is that AI will replace software engineering as a discipline. Seems like you're instead saying that it will increase developer productivity, which no one disagrees with.
Obviously we’re not yet at the point where the CEO can enter “build me the next Uber” in Claude Code and watch the stock price go up.
Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D
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If you're doing a new thing anyway then it makes no sense to do something worse instead of something better. Popularity is determined by people; make the better thing the popular one.
It absolutely makes sense. You need buy in from the public. RCV is the most known alternative and it has taken a decade to get it that far. If you want to start the work of informing people about STAR voting then be my guess but RCV is a tremendous improvement from what we have and an acceptable alternative.
Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D
#307Meanwhile, in Canada, not only can you expense R&D, but there is a cashable tax refund that will give you back about 60% of your developers’ salaries…
It's 35% of eligible spend on up to $3 million, and 15% above that (15% and 15% if the corporation is not Canadian). Further, most software development simply doesn't qualify- https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/scientific-... If you're making websites or doing Shopify integrations, etc, that doesn't actually qualify. Something truly novel in AI or self driving or whatever -- sure.
Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D
#308Meanwhile, in Canada, not only can you expense R&D, but there is a cashable tax refund that will give you back about 60% of your developers’ salaries…
I hate to see this, but you’re comparing two completely different systems. Like it or not, but Canada is much more “socialist”, you can’t expect it in any case to be like US or viceversa.
When you zoom in on some of the Big Beautiful Bill’s new programs, they appear more “socialist” than anything Canadians have ever enjoyed.
Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D
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If you're going to subsidize anything why wouldn't it be R&D
There's nothing inherently wrong with it. Though it creates a competitive advantage and forces other countries to do the same, of not more. Everyone starts pointing fingers at each other and imposing tariff at the end. Plus this puts pressure on manufacturing, as they will not be able to compete. So yeah, as a tool to boost knowledge economy it works but is it objectively a good thing to do I don't know.
Re: OBBB signed: Reinstates immediate expensing for U.S.-based R&D
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Ofcause. Fundamentally there are reasons why we don't allow companies to funnel all operational profits into capital assets without them paying taxes. An analogy would be a company that used all their profits to extract gold from the ground such that they get the labor worth of gold out. In doing so they would effeciently dodge paying taxes of their profits. Now back to your comment: you portray it is as only good th…
Your analogy suggests a deferment of taxes paid but not elimination. In your example, they still own all the gold and would eventually pay taxes on any liquidation. I bring this up because I, too, am as interested in your parent to know the original inspiration for these parts of the tax code… Further: I have a suspicion that this should be applied differently to C-corps vs. pass through entities in the same way that…
You could also just don't allow to deduct taxes on the work out into digging out the gold.
In the end I do not care. But i feel like people would be equally ignorant if it was proposed to tax the software in other ways (eg VAT on the derived services from operating).
Regardless, these are the discussions to have.