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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by michaelmrose »

rewgs wrote: post #297
senko wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AMD GPUs aren't good enough. Software. AMD has traditionally been really bad at their drivers. (They also missed the AI train and are trying to catch up). I use Linux and have learned not to touch AMD GPUs (and to a lesser extent CPUs due to chipset quality/support) a long time ago. Even if they are better now, (I feel) Intel integrated (if no special GPU perf needed) or NVidia are less risky choices.

> I use Linux and have learned not to touch AMD GPUs (and to a lesser extent CPUs due to chipset quality/support) a long time ago. Even if they are better now, (I feel) Intel integrated (if no special GPU perf needed) or NVidia are less risky choices. Err, what? While you're right about Intel integrated GPUs being a safe choice, AMD has long since been the GPU of choice for Linux -- it just works. Whereas Nvidia on L…

They have never been flaky on the x11 desktop

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by padjo »

whatevertrevor wrote: post #294
stodor89 wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. I think more and more people will realize games are a waste of time for them and go on to find other hobbies. As a game developer, it kinda worries me. As a gamer, I can't wait for gaming to be a niche thing again, haha.

The games industry is now bigger than the movies industry. I think you're very wrong about this, as games are engaging in a way other consumption based media simply cannot replicate.

I played video games since I was a teenager. Loved them, was obsessed with them. Then sometime around 40 I just gave up. Not because of life pressure or lack of time but because I just started to find them really boring and unfulfilling. Now I’d much rather watch movies or read. I don’t know if the games changed or I changed.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by reichstein »

Aks. "Every beef anyone has ever had with Nvidia in one outrage friendly article."

If you want to hate on Nvidia, there'll be something for you in there.

An entire section on 12vhpwr connectors, with no mention of 12V-2x6.

A lot of "OMG Monopoly" and "why won't people buy AMD" without considering that maybe ... AMD cards are not considered by the general public to be as good _where it counts_. (Like benefit per Watt, aka heat.) Maybe it's all perception, but then AMD should work on that perception. If you want the cooler CPU/GPU, perception is that that's Intel/Nvidia. That's reason enough for me, and many others.

Availability isn't great, I'll admit that, if you don't want to settle for a 5060.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Rapzid »

enraged_camel wrote: post #36
ohdeargodno wrote: post #19

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Not quite $500, but at $650, the 9070 is an absolute monster that outperforms Nvidia's equivalent cards in everything but ray tracing (which you can only turn on with full DLSS framegen and get a blobby mess anyways) AMD is truly making excellent cards, and with a bit of luck UDNA is even better. But they're in the same situation as Nvidia: they could sell 200 GPUs, ship drivers, maintain them, deal with returns and…

I have a 2080 that I'm considering upgrading but not sure which 50 series would be the right choice.

I went from a 3070 to 5070 Ti and it's fantastic. Just finished Cyberpunk Max'd out at 4k with DLSS balanced, 2x frame gen, and reflex 2. Amazing experience.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by KeplerBoy »

adithyassekhar wrote: post #191
strictnein wrote: post #105

This really makes no sense: > This in turn sparked rumors about NVIDIA purposefully keeping stock low to make it look like the cards are in high demand to drive prices. And sure enough, on secondary markets, the cards go way above MSRP Nvidia doesn't earn more money when cards are sold above MSRP, but they get almost all the hate for it. Why would they set themselves up for that? Scalpers are a retail wide problem. A…

Think of it this way, the only reason 40 series and above are priced like they are is because they saw how willing people were to pay dueing 30 series scalper days. This over representation by the rich is training other customers that nvidia gpus are worth that much so when they increase it again people won't feel offended.

Did you just casually forget about the AI craze we are in the midst of? Nvidia still selling GPUs for gamers at all is a surprise to be honest.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by theshackleford »

yunyu wrote: post #13

If you are a gamer, you are no longer NVIDIA's most important customer.

Yes but why should I care provided the product they have already sold me continues to work? How does this materially change my life because Nvidia doesnt want to go steady with me anymore?

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by yxhuvud »

voxleone wrote: post #148

It’s reasonable to argue that NVIDIA has a de facto monopoly in the field of GPU-accelerated compute, especially due to CUDA (Compute Unified Device Architecture). While not a legal monopoly in the strict antitrust sense (yet), in practice, NVIDIA's control over the GPU compute ecosystem — particularly in AI, HPC, and increasingly in professional content creation — is extraordinarily dominant.

Strict antitrust sense don't look at actual monopoly to trigger, but just if you use your standing in the market to gain unjust advantages. Which does not require a monopoly situation but just a strong standing used wrong (like abusing vertical integration). So Standard Oil, to take a famous example, never had more than a 30% market share.

Breaking a monopoly can be a solution to that, however. But having a large part of a market by itself doesn't trigger anti trust legislation.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by datagram »

darkoob12 wrote: post #271
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

I am not a gamer and don't why AMD GPUs aren't good enough. It's weird since both Xbox and PlayStation are using AMD GPUs. I guess there games that you can only play on PC with Nvidia graphics. That begs the question why someone create a game and ignore large console market.

AMD cards are fine from a raw performance perspective, but Nvidia has built themselves a moat of software/hardware features like ray-tracing, video encoding, CUDA, DLSS, etc where AMD's equivalents have simply not been as good.

With their current generation of cards AMD has caught up on all of those things except CUDA, and Intel is in a similar spot now that they've had time to improve their drivers, so it's pretty easy now to buy a non-Nvidia card without feeling like you're giving anything up.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Sweepi »

Nvidia is full of shit, but this article is full of shit, too. A lot of human slop, some examples:

- 12VHPWR is not at fault / the issue. As the article itself points out, the missing power balancing circuit is to blame. The 3090 Ti had bot 12VHPWR and the balancing power circuit and ran flawless.

- Nvidia G-Sync: Total non-issue. G-Sync native is dead. Since 2023, ~1000 Freesync Monitors have been released, and 3(!!) G-Sync native Monitors.

- The RTX 4000 series is not still expensive, it is again expensive. It was much cheaper a year before RTX 5000 release

- Anti-Sag Brackets were a thing way before RTX 4000

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