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Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by NoOn3 »

dh2022 wrote: post #270
Aldipower wrote: post #186

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Straw man argument. Neither Russia wants to invade Germany nor is Ukraine our neighbor (and if it is, then is Russia too). Despite that is the US the most armed country in the world, not Russia. I fear the things are much much more complicated then you think.

Yeah, of course Russia does not want to invade Germany - it is just arming itself to the teeth. And of course Russia did not want to invade Ukraine in 2021 - they were just building up their military on the border since Mar 2021 [0]. So Ukraine was safe all the way up to the of morning Feb 24!!! Only those bad war-mongers would think that Russia was going to attack Ukraine . [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_…

NATO is bigger and it has more soldiers and bigger armies, why do you think Russia will invade NATO, it's just ridiculous. :( It is not Russia that is increasing in territories, it is NATO that is approaching Russia over the past few decades.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by NoOn3 »

geoka9 wrote: post #294
justsomehnguy wrote: post #288

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Remind us why a purely defensive alliance lead by a country on the othrr side of a planet needs to be closer and closer to the borders of the country against which that alliance was created?

Because small countries of Europe that don't want to be invaded by Russia seek to join the alliance that was specifically created to prevent such eventuality for its members.

None of the last countries accepted into NATO had a real national referendum on joining.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by tehjoker »

af78 wrote: post #290
tehjoker wrote: post #280

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Russia is basically ok with Ukraine being a buffer state so long as it doesn't become a NATO ally. At this point Ukraine will probably have to give up the Russian ethic regions adjoining Russia to get peace. Imagine if Mexico tried to join BRICS or the Warsaw pact back when it existed. You can see the realpolitik logic here. If you want stability and peace for the Ukrainian people, do a deal. Ukraine wasn't in play b…

Ukraine started seeking NATO membership when Russia invaded Georgia in 2008. NATO members refused, following this flawed logic "that it would provoke Russia". In 2014, when Russia first invaded Ukraine, Ukraine was still a neutral country. The reality is that Russia had had NATO countries on its borders (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania) for years before it invaded Georgia and Ukraine. And two years ago Finland joined a…

One might go a bit deeper and start asking what happened in Georgia in 2008?

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

notTooFarGone wrote: post #207
Aldipower wrote: post #146

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As it is correct, that they are virtually not in power, framing them as pro-russia is some sort of false flag. Just because they are not anti-russia, like every other party, does not automatically mean that they are pro-russia. AfD and BSW together got more then 25% of all votes. So, you are correct, they virtually are not in power, but they have some real power just by being there. This HN post here is the best exam…

>framing them as pro-russia is some sort of false flag. They just take russian talking points and deliver them to their voters. It's just conveniently the same shit. And business trips to russia are just there to enjoy the scenery. If they talk like russians, are present in russia, do interviews in russian media and don't condemn russian warcrimes... Maybe it's just as easy?

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Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by reactordev »

kasey_junk wrote: post #142
reactordev wrote: post #71

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Considering the US only has 8,000 tonnes of gold total, this is going to be interesting. I don’t think their gold is just sitting in a closet in manhattan.

That 8000 tonnes number is how much gold the US owns themselves. Not gold held for foreign governments.

Yeah I realized this about an hour after posting. My mind is blown that we just horde gold for other nations because because.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by stackedinserter »

Arnt wrote: post #62
stackedinserter wrote: post #34

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If I go to any bank to withdraw $50000 in cash, they won't let me either.

You just need to give advance warning, and perhaps pick up the cash at a big branch where the bank has good security. This isn't difficult.

Getting this gold is not difficult either, on the state scale of difficulty. It's just not that easy like your uber eats delivery.

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Post by EasyMark »

holowoodman wrote: post #53
Invictus0 wrote: post #42

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That's a children's parable. You can easily defeat the test by using two metals, one denser than gold and one lighter, whose combination matches the density of gold, and then putting a veneer of gold on top of it.

You can nowadays look at a 3D-plot of internal density in an X-Ray computed tomography. On the chance that somebody mixed up an alloy that has the exact same density and X-Ray density as gold, you can try X-Ray absorption spectra which depend on nuclear resonances of different nuclei, so would conclusively prove presence and amount of non-Gold material. And you can do activation analysis, where you activate the ingot…

This all sounds kind of expensive to do for every bar?

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Post by welzel »

NoOn3 wrote: post #301
dh2022 wrote: post #270

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Yeah, of course Russia does not want to invade Germany - it is just arming itself to the teeth. And of course Russia did not want to invade Ukraine in 2021 - they were just building up their military on the border since Mar 2021 [0]. So Ukraine was safe all the way up to the of morning Feb 24!!! Only those bad war-mongers would think that Russia was going to attack Ukraine . [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_…

NATO is bigger and it has more soldiers and bigger armies, why do you think Russia will invade NATO, it's just ridiculous. :( It is not Russia that is increasing in territories, it is NATO that is approaching Russia over the past few decades.

Just to be clear: Russia has invaded Ukraine, has declared that the country has no right to exist and ukraine people will be exterminated, but it is NATO that is the aggressor?

This is textbook russian propaganda.

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Post by sharpshadow »

bc569a80a344f9c wrote: post #141
sharpshadow wrote: post #132

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In the latest polls they surpassed the CDU. It was the moment when Merz announced 1 Trillion money rain after campaign to not make new debts.

https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/ No, they haven't. Not a single poll has them surpassing the CDU. I genuinely don't understand why you'd lie about something like that. It's trivial to look it up.

There are a couple of different polls and I really don’t care about them, just remembered that there was a moment when AFD surpassed CDU[0] and if I recall correctly it was when Merz announced the big debt package.

0. https://politpro.eu/de/deutschland/wahlumfragen/63948/forsa/...

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