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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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If you read around their points, it sounds like they track general location, log group messages, and provide specific information on request to a government.

Meta can also just lie about it. If they were secretly granting backdoor root access to some NSA spooks, like Microsoft did with PRISM or AT&T did with 641A, most likely no one would find out, so, there'd be zero actual downside to simply lying.

It’s not lying if a corporation strictly follows the dictates of a national security letter.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read around their points, it sounds like they track general location, log group messages, and provide specific information on request to a government.

Meta can also just lie about it. If they were secretly granting backdoor root access to some NSA spooks, like Microsoft did with PRISM or AT&T did with 641A, most likely no one would find out, so, there'd be zero actual downside to simply lying.

Usually the three letter agencies will send you a National Security Letter. If somebody sends you a NSL you're not allowed to talk about it, which makes it very difficult to even tell if the NSL is legal or not because it's very difficult to retain legal counsel with these kinds of matters, and secret courts don't have a whole lot of accountability either.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”

If you read around their points, it sounds like they track general location, log group messages, and provide specific information on request to a government.

De Morgan's transformations come in handy here :^)

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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I will never understand how anyone in their right mind can use any product owned by Meta…

Because the entire rest of society has wrapped itself around Facebook, Whatsapp, and Instagram. It is easy to be a free software purist until you need to know if your child's school has a snow day. Websites and mailing lists are dead. I cannot be involved in my child's school or any of the informal social networks around the parents and teachers without using Meta's platforms. I cannot volunteer at a non-profit I car…

Nobody can be forced to use these apps. If you don't want, they will find some other way, I personally only respond to email.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Meta can also just lie about it. If they were secretly granting backdoor root access to some NSA spooks, like Microsoft did with PRISM or AT&T did with 641A, most likely no one would find out, so, there'd be zero actual downside to simply lying.

It’s not lying if a corporation strictly follows the dictates of a national security letter.

“They told me to lie” does not make it any less a lie.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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post #43

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I don't pretend this is an argument at all in towards the situation in Iran, so don't quote me as justifying action or inaction there in regards to this, but it is interesting to take note North Korea actually has dozens of real nuclear weapons and the death to America rhetoric and all we seem to do is laugh at them. Of course NK has no real ability to blow up the US, but they could likely nuke or at least obliterate…

The artillery aimed at Seoul was equivalent to nuclear deterrence. Before North Korea had a nuclear bomb it was widely known that any military action against it meant the complete destruction of Seoul. The artillery in place, armed, and staffed was basically equivalent to having nukes so neither the US nor anyone else could stop them from pursuing nuclear weapons.

They still needed a second strike option. Since the MIRV arrived the possibility of the whole artillery being destroyed was getting greater.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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I find the wordsmithery on Meta's statement the most interesting: “We do not track your *PRECISE* location, we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging and we do not track the *PERSONAL* messages people are sending one another," it added. “We do not provide *BULK* information to any government.”

It's not that nefarious.

> We do not track your PRECISE location

If they log IP addresses, they can't say they don't log location at all.

> we don’t keep logs of who everyone is messaging

Seems like a pretty strong claim

> we do not track the PERSONAL messages people are sending one another

I don't know much about their business offering, but it seems likely it's not e2e encrypted or has some kind of escrow. Businesses often multiple people to be able to access an account and that is best done without e2e encryption... let alone auditing requirements.

> We do not provide BULK information to any government

Because they are subject to subpoena and search warrants. They are legally required to provided tailored information to governments.

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All in all it's pretty much what you'd expect for Whatsapp's "e2e but otherwise conventional saas" approach. If you want better, use signal.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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It’s a reference to borders that do not include Gaza, the Golan Heights, or the West Bank. It’s likely that any two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine crisis would roughly look like how things were before the Six-Day War. However, I’m getting more at the fact that Iran is unwilling to accept a two-state solution because necessarily, one of those two states would be Israel.

so, gaza is going back to egypt and everybody is locked there behind fence. and west bank is annexed by jordan ? sounds good

Gaza and West Bank as Palestinian territory. That means that Israel would have to retreat to its 1967 borders.

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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post #182

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Only because a select few people had the balls to blow the whistle. Imagine if Snowden decided to just do his work and move on? How much longer would it have taken for these facts to be revealed to the public?

Even after we found out, nobody cared...

But we knew!

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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it may not be but I’ve also heard this excuse a million times before. and whatever the situation is meta products can be avoided. we just have a tendency to give into “hey, we have WhateverSupApp group, why don’t you just install garbage on your phone to be a member of this cool group… thanks, but no thanks :)

Not Meta, but I bump into IRL things that require a Google account all the time, and they won't even negotiate. Get a Google account or get out.

“thanks, I am out” is the way to reply to that situation
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