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Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Flagged because it has nothing to do with technology, and actually goes against the rules.

Still has nothing to do with technology, it's only here because dang, and the left side of hacker news likes it.

Since you're so concerned about the rules, do you mind outlining the ones regarding comment quality, topicality, and personal attacks?

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Why do you think the “national electorate” should have any say in California state laws? Is it just a basic lack of understanding civics, or do you think states, cities and local communities should be abolished because people in Alabama should actually be in charge of people in Sacramento? I’m so tired of absolute nonsense like this being said by people who clearly know absolutely nothing about how this country works…

> Why do you think the “national electorate” should have any say in California state laws? Is it just a basic lack of understanding civics, or do you think states, cities and local communities should be abolished because people in Alabama should actually be in charge of people in Sacramento? Immigration law isn't California state law, it's federal law, duly passed (and frankly any other approach would be crazy, unles…

>States set their own laws on a lot of matters, but they don't get to opt out of federal laws they don't like.

Which law requires states to enforce Federal law? I'll save you the trouble of looking: It doesn't exist.

Cf. https://govfacts.org/explainer/understanding-federalism-vs-s...

As you seem to be ignorant of how government works in the USA.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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CBS reports he was arrested for assaulting an officer and impeding a federal enforcement action, or some such thing.

So, asking to see the warrant is impeding a federal enforcement action? Like, following laws or rules is impeding action?

I don't think that's what they were referring to. From watching the video, I assume it was when he grabbed onto the fellow they were detaining and refused to let go.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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The chance to fix that is in 2026 at the ballot, and preparation every day until then. The whole "there won't be elections" hysteria is exactly because the current MAGA movement is scared shitless of being rejected again. Furthermore, if Trump-y candidates do poorly in 2026, he'll be a lame duck president with little political clout for his final 2 years. Politicians are many things, but charitable to unpopular peopl…

Trump promised his followers won't have to vote any more. Why would he promise that if there will be fair elections in 2026 and 2028?

Because he was talking in terms of things his base wanted already being accomplished by 2026 or 2028?

I swear, as a liberal, the amount of pearl clutching and out of context nefariousness everyone frets about is insane.

1. Strongman opponent's speech, rather than leaping to extremes immediately

2. Understand Trump, moreso than other politicians, says all kinds of things he doesn't intend to do

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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They're deporting them without trial. They don't even try to confirm they capture the right people. They've arrested several US citizens. Notice where this arrest occurred: at a courthouse. Why? Because this person was complying with the law and going through the immigration process. What about masked men kidnapping random people, then sending them somewhere like a prison in El Salvador seems just to you? Do you reme…

My understanding is that they're doing this under the "expedited removal" provision of the 1996 IIRIRA law. If you've been in the US less than 2 years, arrived without inspection or at a port of entry with invalid documents, or don't have lawful resident status, you're subject to expedited removal. If not, you are entitled to an administrative immigration hearing. For some context, under Obama in 2013, there were rou…

> But it's not unconstitutional or unlawful as far I can tell.

The problem is that you can’t tell: if they follow the law, you can be fairly confident that it is constitutional but when they’re rapidly deporting people without hearings and with officers actively resisting oversight, we have only their word that the people being deported do in fact meet those criteria. Since they’ve been documented as detaining citizens, lying about things like asylum claims or criminal status, etc. in many cases, their word alone is now untrustworthy for any case. They chose to create that distrust and the only way to build trust is for them to stop prioritizing quotas over legality.

What’s happening now is exactly what happens every time some incompetent boss tells everyone to hit a number no matter what, except that the stakes are far higher.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Even more insane that the lack of accountability means that common criminals and vigilantes pose as federal agents to kidnap or rob people. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-r...

Or, you know, murder people.

I suppose it’s a feature. We don’t care if someone else gets you, as long as you’re scared and compliant.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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>Another thing that is troubling is that immigration law is sort of a parallel system to normal criminal law. The rights for the accused are lesser and obligations for officers are more lax. The burden of proof is lower. It's easier to get warrants and the rules of evidence are more relaxed. I would be absolutely elated if the end result of all this crap is a judicial president that eviscerates the many parallel syst…

It's fantastic that right libertarians have the opportunity to own me, a lib. The silver lining to all of this is all of the epic lib-owning that can be done as a result of the destruction of the rule of law. But, by my reading, traffic court and HOA fees were not cause of all of this. Right libertarians rightfully complained in 2001 when the DHS was formed; they again rightfully complained in the 2010's when Snowden…

There is no "right guy". The sooner you learn that the better.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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CBP has no authority to arrest citizens. They would have to be assuming Lander is undocumented and they clearly have no reason to suspect that.

There’s a lot we don’t know about the composition of the group here. The Trump administration has been routinely embedding other agencies like the FBI in ICE operations: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ice-oper... Impeding federal law enforcement officers is a crime - to which other federal officers (not sure about ICE) have the ability to make an arrest.

Does asking for confirmation that you're a federal agent with the power to detain/arrest constitute impeding? Because I hope you see how that's a bad path to go down.

Yes, you're required to comply with law enforcement. But if you're required to comply with unidentified law enforcement, we're gonna have problems.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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I mean, I'm voting and I'll tell everyone to vote. Support my preferences publicly, of course. But given the combined discrepancy between Harris vs the Attorney General in every single county of NC, the Elon contact for those voting machines, and Trump saying it out loud, I'm kind of at the point I'm not sure if the last election was legitimate. I don't have a lot of hope for 2026 or 228 since we're already past "the…

Some wisdom: There are and have always been problems with American democracy. Yet at the end of the day vote counts and protest counts are the things that change the country's trajectory. Part of the toxicness of current news media is the "And this can never be changed" doomerism. Bullshit. Everything can be changed. It just takes action and convincing others to take action.

Protests mostly make people feel good, but rarely invoke change. MLK did not accomplish his goals through life, it was the violence that followed that precipitated actual change. Did RvW protests stop the SC? Did Palestine protests stop our involvement with Israel? Did Occupy Wall Street work? Did the LEO system get reformed after the massive Floyd protests? No. Not a single one of those protests with tens of millions of total participants worked.

France didn't preserve their retirement age by walking around with signs. They had to get disobedient. Break shit, stop collecting trash or running services.

Shockingly, people who are going to fuck you for power or money could care less if you're upset about being fucked. And now that the majority of media in America is controlled by 7 billionaires and they've spent 30 years justifying shooting or run over protestors, they're calling the bluff and betting Americans will roll over and take it.

And they're probably right.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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The chance to fix that is in 2026 at the ballot, and preparation every day until then. The whole "there won't be elections" hysteria is exactly because the current MAGA movement is scared shitless of being rejected again. Furthermore, if Trump-y candidates do poorly in 2026, he'll be a lame duck president with little political clout for his final 2 years. Politicians are many things, but charitable to unpopular peopl…

Trump promised his followers won't have to vote any more. Why would he promise that if there will be fair elections in 2026 and 2028?

Because he tells his people what they want to hear, no matter how big of a lie it is.
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