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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by croemer »

zaphar wrote: post #256
TulliusCicero wrote: post #251

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Wow, 15-30 years seems like an insane amount of time for drug possession. Even if the amount implied dealing, that still seems really high. Don't people typically get less than that for sexual assault or armed robbery?

I don't know. If you are in posession of enough of a controlled substance to kill 300 people I'm kind of okay with a drastic response. For every Preston Thorpe who turns their life around there 100s of others who will just go out and keep endangering lives like this. I think this is a nuanced topic and 10-30 years is too much for drug possession is entirely lacking the necessary nuance to evaluate. Comparison to othe…

3,000 not 300 if my maths are correct (and lethal dose)

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by croemer »

IncandescentGas wrote: post #269
croemer wrote: post #246

Great story, I wish this inspired more prisons around the world to follow suit. For those who don't want to hit Google, the conviction was for possessing 30g of a synthetic opioid "U-47700". A normal dose is ~1mg, 10mg can be deadly (so this was 30000 trips or killing 3000). The drug became illegal across the US on November 14, 2016. "Police said they found the drug in Thorpe’s apartment in Manchester in December 201…

Since the top comment seems to be judging the worthiness of this individual to work with databases after prison, for those considering working with or hiring someone with a criminal record, I'd beg you to consider: You're hiring the person as they are today, long after any punishment, rehabilitation, parold, probation, and personal growth. Not who they were at the time of past actions. Having your own mini trial, whe…

I'm not judging anything at all. What part of my comment makes you think I judge the worthiness? I just decided to share what the crime was since OP left it out.

To make it unambiguous I added a prefix: "Great story, I wish this inspired more prisons around the world to follow suit."

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by croemer »

bastawhiz wrote: post #291
ArthurStacks wrote: post #264

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Sorry, but this is a disgusting take. Addiction is well established as an illness. It's outright shameful to suggest that someone who is going through recovery is purely doing it as a grift. What you're suggesting is that we can't trust that rehabilitation is possible or reasonable, which is a deeply cruel prospect.

Rehabilitation is great. But you might have the wrong idea about the crime.

It wasn't just addiction. He had enough U-47700 for 30,000 trips (30 thousand). See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44291172

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by glommer »

pookha wrote: post #272
brabel wrote: post #254

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In Northern Europe you get less than that for murder.

Unlikely...He's an incredibly callous individual that was cutting drugs with a substance orders of magnitude more dangerous than fentanyl so he could drive an Audi and live the high life. Given that they tied several deaths back to his operation, and that it was a multi-state joint effort, I doubt he'd get a slap on the wrist by a European judges.

was an incredibly callous individual.

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Post by Aurornis »

conductr wrote: post #282
zaphar wrote: post #256

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I don't know. If you are in posession of enough of a controlled substance to kill 300 people I'm kind of okay with a drastic response. For every Preston Thorpe who turns their life around there 100s of others who will just go out and keep endangering lives like this. I think this is a nuanced topic and 10-30 years is too much for drug possession is entirely lacking the necessary nuance to evaluate. Comparison to othe…

How many deadly chemicals are in an average home? Every time I fill up my car with gas, I buy enough to commit dozens of cases of arson. Intent matters and there's no reason to believe he intended to harm anyone. I believe it's a crime and should be a felony but this sentence is a bit extreme in terms of punishment fitting the crime.

> Every time I fill up my car with gas, I buy enough to commit dozens of cases of arson.

Did you read the link? They also found scales, baggies, and Carfentanil (a more potent version of fentanyl).

Filling your car up with gas doesn't compare. A better analogy would be if you tried to fill up a 10,000 gallon tank of gasoline that you couldn't possibly use yourself, all while having a truck full of matches and explosives, and a map to a building with a big circle around it.

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

lukan wrote: post #297
esteth wrote: post #217

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Presumably the prison is providing the "office" where the person works from, the Internet connection, etc.

Also food and accomodation ..

1) How is this different from any other prisoner

2) They wouldn't have to if they didn't insist on locking him up

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

Retric wrote: post #235
Balinares wrote: post #206

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The exact same is true of people working outside of prison.

Not really, contraband includes many things that are completely legal for non prisoners to have like currency, phones, knives, or alcohol. Sending that stuff to prisoners is illegal https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1791 List of prohibited items: https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840...

You can send phones, knives or alcohol via email or slack?

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by glommer »

ArthurStacks wrote: post #294
bastawhiz wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but this is a disgusting take. Addiction is well established as an illness. It's outright shameful to suggest that someone who is going through recovery is purely doing it as a grift. What you're suggesting is that we can't trust that rehabilitation is possible or reasonable, which is a deeply cruel prospect.

And I'm sure if you had your way the prisons would be empty of anyone convicted of a drug related crime because 'they and their terribly sad addictions/illnesses are the real victims' Theyre in prison as a punishment for crimes

Preston has never asked for anyone's sympathy or understanding about his past crimes. If you read his stuff, he owns it fully, is incredibly sorry. He's the first to admit that what he did had very real consequences.
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