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Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Re: Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway

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Post by asdfman123 »

Animats wrote: post #132

Waymos will get cheaper to make as they scale up. The Ioniq version [1] costs less to build. All the sheet metal and mechanical mods for Waymo are done at the Hyundai factory in Georgia.[2] Waymo just mounts the electronics. Jobs at the Hyundai factory start at $23.66/hour, with reasonably good benefits.[3] [1] https://waymo.com/blog/2024/10/waymo-and-hyundai-enter-partn... [2] https://www.hmgma.com/ [3] https://care…

What's expensive about operating a Waymo? Do the capital costs exceed that of the driver's salary?

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Post by 1024core »

Animats wrote: post #132

Waymos will get cheaper to make as they scale up. The Ioniq version [1] costs less to build. All the sheet metal and mechanical mods for Waymo are done at the Hyundai factory in Georgia.[2] Waymo just mounts the electronics. Jobs at the Hyundai factory start at $23.66/hour, with reasonably good benefits.[3] [1] https://waymo.com/blog/2024/10/waymo-and-hyundai-enter-partn... [2] https://www.hmgma.com/ [3] https://care…

The other day I almost got ran over by an old lady in her old Volvo wagon at a stop sign. She seemed to have gotten confused a little and was turning left but couldn't figure out the right move to make. People behind her honked and she decided to just go for it. I happened to be in the crosswalk and just happened to look over at the honking, and saw her coming, so managed to jump out of her way.

She was easily over 90, if not over 95.

People like her could really benefit from a personal Waymo. Just sell a car with FSD built in, at the level of a Waymo, and bam! That would make so many senior citizens' lives easier!

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

sanswork wrote: post #294
jopsen wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$3 isn't this kind of a small problem? I miss rideshare service, in Denmark we have mess of expensive high quality taxis that you cannot get hold of when you need one.

$3 is small enough that almost everyone will just eat the cost. I have a theory that they do this intentionally in some things(well Uber I've never used lift). Almost every time I order food and something is wrong or missing they'll give me a refund that is $2-3 off what it should be. Like if I order a $5 item and it's missing their service will refund me $2. At that point I can chose to spend literally an hour going…

Doordash did to me for 70cents or so once. There was a missing item in an order, no big deal, app let's you report it, and the exact item that was missing.

But instead of refunding the $2 it cost, they refunded like $1.19 or something to that affect.

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Post by silvestrov »

flutas wrote: post #296
bertil wrote: post #286

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Which point would you expect to deteriorate?

not op but cleanliness would be my first expectation I've seen many reports of dirty waymos on reddit recently for example. second I'd assume they would start charging you for point 3, "loading delay fee" when you take too long to load, after all that's missed profit from other rides. after that point 1 and 2, with you getting either a Jag (nice car), a Zeekr (unknown to me, Chinese company), or a Ioniq 5 (much cheap…

Wouldn't it be more likely they would charge for "leaving trash in car"?

Shouldn't cost much to check car using cameras after each ride.

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Post by doctorpangloss »

oytis wrote: post #133

People are eager to pay money to not deal with other people. Which makes me pessimistic about the future of humanity given recent developments in AI really

this is true, but people are also eager to pay nothing, so I'm not sure how much "generalizations about products" are worth

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

kelnos wrote: post #231
harmmonica wrote: post #166

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I have zero clue if they still do, but based on my experiences lately with Uber and Lyft there's zero chance they fire drivers even if they have terrible reviews. I'm an "always 5 star" type of reviewer (sorry if you think I'm obligated to be honest!), but, man, it's rough out there at least in big cities in the US. Sorry that's not reliably answering your question, but even if Uber said they fire those people I woul…

> I'm an "always 5 star" type of reviewer Same. Only time I will rate lower is for safety issues. Offensive conversation and bad smells are not great, but I don't want to screw up what might be someone's only job because they're having a bad day or because they can't afford to get their car cleaned as often as they should. But I also don't judge people who would rate lower for stuff like that; everyone's threshold fo…

I mean... It's crazy to read this in a thread complaining about the quality of ubers. I guess you didn't start the thread but your here all the same. It's this behavior that enables it.

The last terrible Lyft I had had a 4.9, yet the car literally rattled and you could 'hear' the suspension (hard to explain, whatever the hell it was wasn't right).

Guessing by the odometer being 220k and the sticker over the check engine light, it had likely been like that for a while.

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Post by MBCook »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #283
habosa wrote: post #202

I mix and match but I’ll take a Waymo if it’s 1. Literally zero variance. Every car is the same. Every driver is the same style. If it says it’ll be there in 7 minutes it will be 7, not 5 and not 10. 2. A jaguar SUV is a premium vehicle. It’s comparable to an Uber black not a regular Uber. 3. It’s so child friendly. My son can make all the noise he wants and I can take time loading him in without a driver being impat…

You’re experiencing the early pre-enshittified product. Ubers used to be cheap and excellent too, but then they started optimizing for profit. I assume this will happen even faster for Waymo, just because tech firms have more experience now.

Not yet enshittified > currently enshitiffied

If they get worse, I’ll. Choose something else if I want.

They’re not in my area today, but just because they may get worse does t mean you should avoid them today.

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Post by doctorpangloss »

ec109685 wrote: post #129

“Colloquially, there is an idea that autonomous vehicles are something that will erode driver jobs and put drivers at risk. And I think the irony of what we’ve seen is that it’s actually quite expensive to run an AV” This seems like a temporary problem. Google is charging what the market will bear and doesn’t have ability to get more cars on the road.

The simpler explanation is that Google mismanages its pay-per-use consumer-facing products. Consider Google One and YouTube Premium are also overpriced, and everyone tells them so.

It's obviously a mistake to charge more than Uber or Lyft, it's crazy obvious, like mind meltingly obvious. Sometimes it's just the obvious thing. Google's problem is that its management is so bad, it doesn't understand: just because something happens (paying more for rides) doesn't mean it makes sense. After all taxis are more expensive sometimes, and people pay for them, and where's the article that litigates all the dumb reasons people give for doing that?

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Post by nixpulvis »

smithcoin wrote: post #263
nixpulvis wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isolationism progresses.

And we wonder why we can’t get along anymore when the only time we go outside it to grab our Amazon packages off the porch.

It goes both ways too. Customer service in person has digressed pretty far.
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