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> it’s incomprehensible that in other countries people just wipe and…hope for the best. Nowadays many people use wet wipes. Probably less environmentally friendly, but they solve the same problem.
It does not solve the same problem. The same way the majority of people prefer to wash their hand at a faucet with soap and water. They might put up with a wet wipe when they are near a faucet but it doesn't "solve the same problem". At best it's a temporary solution until you get to a place where you can really wash.
The Rise of the Japanese Toilet
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#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I interned abroad in Singapore at a small-time IT firm, the office was in an industrial building that had, uh, less than stellar communal facilities. I at least had the foresight to test the sprayer before use, but I swear it was binary on/off. There wasn't a pressure control knob or anything upstream either. I eventually got used to blasting myself clean, but I still prefer TP.
You are right about Asians ones. The ones I used in India However what I have gotten in american bathrooms are pretty decent with flow control are supply and handle bar depending on how much you squeeze. And with filters and all in place water comes with soft gushing way like American faucets. In my experience even least fancy American bathrooms are vastly more functional and cleaner by design than what I get in my t…
- For Indians, water & sunlight are the best cleansing/disinfecting agents. A bathroom that has been rinsed thoroughly with water+soap, and then dried in sunlight is the cleanest it could ever be. Indian bathrooms typically have windows allowing ample sunlight, and are almost completely covered in stone/tiles to make this whole process easy.
- For this reason, Indian visitors have a hard time adjusting to apartment bathrooms in the US -- which are almost always designed to never have any wetness outside the bath tub / shower area. These bathrooms can never ever be rinsed clean (there is no outlet to drain water!) or dried in the sunlight (because there is no window! just the way apartment layouts are optimized).
- This also means that American bathrooms need an active ventilation system -- which works with varying levels of effectiveness -- and has a bunch of corollaries such as incidences of mold, etc. Residual humidity in American bathrooms is a significant problem, complicated by the use of wood/drywall/carpet in apartments.
- For Americans, the bathroom space being dry is one of the most important symptoms of cleanliness. Wet somehow means soiled/used/disgusting -- even if it is just clean water on the bathroom floor. American bathrooms & processes -- both home and public/shared -- are designed to optimize for this experience.
- The traditional style Indian toilets involve squatting. Being contact-free, this is way more hygenic in comparison to the "western" style toilets -- where the excretory areas of different people come into secondary contact through a common surface. When this does get addressed, the western solution to this again hinges on dryness -- using a sheet of paper (or just unrolled toilet paper) as a disposable seat cover.
- Western style (seated) toilets have become increasingly common in India though (because sitting is more comfortable than squatting), but they typically have a small hand-held shower and are unlikely to feature any toilet paper.
- The same principle of washed -vs- dry as "clean" reflects again in how the two cultures choose to clean themselves after going to the loo. In India it is traditional to thoroughly rinse one's behind with soap and water (as OP mentioned in the experience at the Doha airport) and then dry it in various ways, while American toilets are designed for wiping with dry paper and sometimes even just using a hand sanitizer afterwards (not always rinsing hands with water/soap).
- Glossing over the comparison of what cleanliness means in each of these cases, I'm given to understand that the operating pattern of repeatedly rubbing dry paper on sensitive areas while trying to get them clean makes anal hemorrhoids far more common in the US.
- The contrasts help shed light on how people of each culture have a huge shock when first experiencing a bathroom from the other. Given how western cultural mores tend to be defaults in online spaces, the culture shock of an American encountering an Indian bathroom is easier to sympathize with. Likewise, many Indians struggle to feel comfortable with the quality of sanitation allowed by an American bathroom, and it takes a lot of conditioning to get used to :-)
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#303I live off-grid in the deep woods of Sweden with no neighbors; I heat my 125 year old timber house with firewood. For two decades I lived in a fancy flat with all the amenities in a large city. Now I do it in two 100L plastic barrels in my stables that also have an outhouse, each barrel corresponds to one of my needs. I neutralize number 1 with Corega tabs in the warmer months, I neutralize number 2 with a scoop of p…
I love my bidet and usually carry a travel bidet. For campervan camping I looked at composting toilets but this one problem has ruled them out for me so far.
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#304Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bought $25 versions of this on Amazon during COVID... We did not anticipate or have any of problems you described.
most bidets starts leaking after 6-12 months. It is a flood hazard if the hose breaks.
Well that just doesn't sound true at all. I would definitely remember if it leaked every year. Do you have any evidence for this? A bidet is pretty basic plumbing, and basic plumbing can go decades without leaking.
I guess if someone goes out and buys cheap parts that fail fast, and always does that, then you'll get some people whose plumbing fails every six months and everyone else goes years or decades without problems.
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#305Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bought $25 versions of this on Amazon during COVID... We did not anticipate or have any of problems you described.
most bidets starts leaking after 6-12 months. It is a flood hazard if the hose breaks.
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#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
most bidets starts leaking after 6-12 months. It is a flood hazard if the hose breaks.
"most bidets starts leaking after 6-12 months." Well that just doesn't sound true at all. I would definitely remember if it leaked every year. Do you have any evidence for this? A bidet is pretty basic plumbing, and basic plumbing can go decades without leaking. I guess if someone goes out and buys cheap parts that fail fast, and always does that, then you'll get some people whose plumbing fails every six months and…
That would be because it is not true.
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#307Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it’s incomprehensible that in other countries people just wipe and…hope for the best. Nowadays many people use wet wipes. Probably less environmentally friendly, but they solve the same problem.
It does not solve the same problem. The same way the majority of people prefer to wash their hand at a faucet with soap and water. They might put up with a wet wipe when they are near a faucet but it doesn't "solve the same problem". At best it's a temporary solution until you get to a place where you can really wash.
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#308I'd recommend ignoring these infomercials.
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#309In almost all of SE Asia, especially Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, all of the toilets come with a hand-held sprayer. They also had this in the Doha airport and I'm not sure how common this style is outside of SE Asia but I'm guessing it's common. Japanese style bidets are very common in Korean households as well and I'm sure its easily a billion dollar business. It is nice but the functionality is quite difficult for…