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They can't control the entire stack because of the analogue hole
Which doesn’t matter at all.
I'm just answering your question.
Microsoft Teams will soon block screen capture during meetings
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Re: Microsoft Teams will soon block screen capture during meetings
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It's kind of like locks isn't it? It'll deter honest folks, but will it prevent screen capture when Teams is running in a VM? What about over VNC?
What about a camera? These aren't the use cases that really matters. What matters is the common case, and it's not about deterring honest folks. Honest folks aren't recording. This is really a lesson in security blind spots. The number of people that are trying to "get around this" assuming that's the issue. Edit: I'll make it simple. It will work because honest people aren't trying to get around it. But, they could…
> It will work because honest people aren't trying to get around it.
I think this makes the counterargument even stronger.
Let's take for granted that this isn't intended to stop a determined leaker and is just meant to prevent honest, unintentional mistreatment of sensitive data.
The question is whether the false positives outweigh the true positives. This feature will impede people from getting things done in subtle but annoying ways (making it more difficult to take notes, hurting accessibility, etc). It's likely that when this is widely deployed, many big orgs are going to overuse it and enable it as a matter of course to prevent liability. Those scenarios where honest people are blocked from doing honest things for which there's no harm are the false positives in this scenario -- there was no need to prevent those scenarios, but they were prevented anyway.
Now consider the true positives: we've agreed that intentional malice is not covered by this feature, and so the true positives are limited just to the smaller subset of scenarios in which honest people unintentionally mistreat sensitive data, and don't include any scenarios where data is being intentionally leaked.
I suspect the number of scenarios that fall into the false positive category will be much greater than the number of scenarios that fall into the true positive category, especially so after intentional malice is excluded. So is this really a net win for anyone?
Re: Microsoft Teams will soon block screen capture during meetings
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#304I use a USB-C hub with DisplayLink to drive my setup. This means MacOS thinks I'm recording the screen.
I'm a bit worried Team's solution will use those APIs will be used (ie I'll have a choice: see a Teams meeting video OR be hooked up to all my monitors).
What I think is a related side effect: I also can't watch video (streaming via web browser or via Apple TV app) with this setup either.
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> All these are due to laws and regulations that are there to protect the big companies and don’t take into consideration users This feature is not due to laws and regulations. The user in this case is the presenter who clicks the button to enable screenshot protection on their meeting. This is Microsoft trying to deliver a feature their users want , not laws and regulations making them do something their users don’t…
But it’s literally the dumbest feature ever. There’s absolutely nothing preventing a user from pulling out their phone and taking a picture of any slide they want. Or having a camera recording the whole session out of view of their webcam. It is security theater at its peak.
Please stop moving the goalposts. It makes it even more blatant that you’re engaging in a kneejerk emotional argument that doesn’t belong on this website.
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> I have asked them to do an anonymous survey of users to ask what action they would take if they were blocked from taking screenshots and users universally say they’d take a picture of their screen with their phone. Everyone knows this. You don’t need this survey (which surely was a real thing that actually occurred and not something you just conveniently imagined for this argument, right?) to tell you that. It’s li…
It’s literally not friction. The average user has no clue how to take a screenshot. They all know how to take a picture with their phone. It’s a solution searching for a problem it can’t solve. Friction implies you’re stopping a user from taking an action they consider the easiest way to solve the problem. Since you think I “invented” the survey, I invite you to ask all of you non technical friends and family how the…
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Re: Microsoft Teams will soon block screen capture during meetings
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I think it’s funny that so many of these comments assume the person clicking the “enable screenshot protection” checkbox will be unaware that participants might have camera phones. It’s equally funny to read the comments imagining participants with elaborate pre-built workarounds like hidden pinhole cameras or pre-configured HDMI splitters going into full-screen video capture on another system. The people using this…
True. But if you start putting these speed bumps everywhere, suddenly the platform become a hell to use when you need to do/use/operate something. It is one of the reason why I moved from macOS or Linux despite really wanting to operate a macbook. macOS has become unbearable unless all you did for a living was videos, audio and normal web browsing.
I don’t do “video, audio, and normal web browsing” for a living, and I don’t find macOS unbearable.
For the love of God, please show an iota of acknowledgment that this could just be a matter of personal taste, instead of immediately resorting to such absolutist statement. It’s very telling that your portrayal of “I don’t like this” is “this is surely unbearable for anyone that does the sort of work that I do. Anyone that makes this work for them is doing this OTHER class of things”. And I’ve got absolutely zero doubt that you consider the things that you listed as being ‘lesser’ than your ‘real computer work’.
Re: Microsoft Teams will soon block screen capture during meetings
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Yep, I already covered workarounds that would be possible with preplanning.
If you already do it regularly, then the preplanning is not a big barrier. You already know that you keep getting into situations where something is worth capturing. HDMI capture with passthrough is $20.
Are you genuinely not reading the comments that you’re replying to?
OP did mot solicit or show that there would be any value in people listing ways that one could circumvent this with preparation.
We all know. You aren’t adding anything to the discussion. Nerds love ignoring the cost of human effort if it gives them an opportunity to show that they know something.
Re: Microsoft Teams will soon block screen capture during meetings
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We once had an intern who took screenshots of an internal presentation and posted them on the internet to brag about how cool his internship was. When we did his exit interview he admitted he just wasn’t thinking. He did it all in a couple minutes while in the meeting. Something like this would have stopped him in the process and made him remember that the content was sensitive. Don’t underestimate the diversity of t…
Seems like you will now have 1 less way to weed out an employee you don't want... If someone was going to do something dumb like that I wouldn't want them to keep their job now instead simply because the software prevented them from doing something so dumb or dangerous.
Thank you Hacker News commenter for lecturing someone on Human Resources policy. The ultimate scope creep from someone explaining why this feature might have an iota of value.
The SECOND a tool that you use add a feature that you want because “um, we don’t think that your business should work like that, actually”, there’d be an angry rant on the front page of this very site.
Re: Microsoft Teams will soon block screen capture during meetings
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It's a pointless and stupid feature. It's trivial to take a picture of the screen with your phone.
It's about convenience. You would be surprised how much information is leaked simply because it was so convenient to.
stupid security theater liket his makes everything less secure.
people who used to take screenshots will now resort to taking screen pictures with their phones. this means microsoft teams is incentivizing everyone to 'leak' content outside of corporate networks.
creating a unworkable 'secure' system causes ordinary people to to go around the security to get their job done. which makes everything less secure in the end.