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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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This happened in the last Trump administration, too.

Source?

There's a parallel comment subthread about that,

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43794576#43795264 ("In April [2019], [Shelley Joseph] and a court officer, Wesley MacGregor, were accused of allowing an immigrant to evade detention by arranging for him to sneak out the back door of a courthouse. The federal prosecutor in Boston took the highly unusual step of charging the judge with obstruction of justice…")

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Ah, but: freedom for "me". The libertarian HN posters are in favor of unlimited freedom for themselves and a police state for everyone else, especially non-Americans who dare to exist in America.

Libertarian is completely the opposite side of the political spectrum from police state/authoritarianism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

As is Communism. In both cases, mostly in theory.

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why do you think the people willing to be a part of the armed militias you mention are NOT on the same way of thinking as what ICE is attempting to do. that's just how the militia types tend to lean, so I don't think this would have the effect you're looking for

> that's just how the militia types tend to lean So far. I don’t think you’d have trouble recruiting an educated, well-regulated militia from folks who believe in the rule of law.

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I'm not very familiar with US laws, but why wouldn't the FBI agents likewise be arrested for interfering with the judge's court case? Let's say I murder someone. I definitely did it, and there's plenty of evidence. What's stopping my hypothetical ICE buddy from showing up at my first court appearance, arresting me, and deporting me to a country without extradition by claiming that I am an "illegal immigrant"?

Is this qhy everyone is worried about illegal immigrants comitting crimes? Because they have a get-out-of-jail-free?

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> He accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. It sounds like the arrest isn't because of any official act of the judge, but rather over them either not telling the ICE agents where the person was or giving them the wrong information about their location. There are some pretty broad law…

Sounds like some lower-level ICE agents screwed up, and let the subject get away, and they're trying to redirect blame to the judge. I doubt this will stick, barring any new info on what happened.

Going from "redirect blame" to "make an arrest" is a significant escalation.

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Considering the ongoing due process deprivations this is the most concerning aspect to me. This is a sitting judge which is a significant escalation against the judiciary.

I was talking to someone earlier about how we in America, today, are not entitled to anything. Just in the last hundred years, people lived under secret police, dictators, state-controlled media, occupation, you name it. Hundreds of millions of people lived their whole life under the KGB or Stasi. Hundreds of millions live in autocracy even today. Some straight up live in a warzone as we speak. The idea that "we" can't be going through this is beyond entitled. Nothing is guaranteed to us. We are being shown how fragile this all is by the universe.

Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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post #243

I'm not very familiar with US laws, but why wouldn't the FBI agents likewise be arrested for interfering with the judge's court case? Let's say I murder someone. I definitely did it, and there's plenty of evidence. What's stopping my hypothetical ICE buddy from showing up at my first court appearance, arresting me, and deporting me to a country without extradition by claiming that I am an "illegal immigrant"?

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Re: FBI arrests judge accused of helping man evade immigration authorities

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If you're as incensed about this as I am, you can call the Milwaukee County Republican Party HQ at 414-897-7202 and let them know what you think. They're inclusive and open to dialog per their page at https://www.mkegop.com/ , so I'm sure they'd love to hear from you.

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> liberals elsewhere

Have you considered the possibility that the objections here may be more related to an apparent attack on the judicial branch rather than the desire to protect a person residing illegally in the United States?

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I updated my post with new information from the updated article, and in the context of that I think you're pretty much right. It sounds like the judge basically said "you need permission to arrest someone in the middle of my hearing, go get it" and then didn't change anything about the process of their hearing while that permission was being obtained. This was definitely not them being helpful , but I'm incredibly do…

Successful prosecution isn't needed, the harassment and incurring high legal fees will discourage a dozen other judges who might be less than boot-licklingly helpful to the autocrat.

That's the reality less equal animals have had to live under since basically forever.

I have a hard time seeing it as a bad thing that state and local authorities would have to view the feds the way we have to view all three because it brings our incentives more in alignment.

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No one is above the law.

No one poor is above the law.

As autocracy expands, so does the definition of "poor".

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." - Wilhoit's Law

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