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Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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Post by ryan29 »

agwa wrote: post #268
ryan29 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can't target popular domains for discriminatory pricing. That's not completely accurate. Section 2.10c of the base registry agreement says the following in relation to the uniform pricing obligations: > The foregoing requirements of this Section 2.10(c) shall not apply for (i) purposes of determining Renewal Pricing if the registrar has provided Registry Operator with documentation that demonstrates that the a…

You omitted key portions of that section. Here's the full quote (emphasis added): > The foregoing requirements of this Section 2.10(c) shall not apply for (i) purposes of determining Renewal Pricing if the registrar has provided Registry Operator with documentation that demonstrates that the applicable registrant expressly agreed in its registration agreement with registrar to higher Renewal Pricing at the time of th…

The exact pricing isn’t disclosed. All they do is tell you the price will be “higher”. Anyone registering a premium domain is getting higher than uniform renewal pricing, so whatever they’re doing right now is considered adequate and that’s just generic ToS in the registration agreement AFAIK.

It sounds like you think I’m being deceptive. Do you know about any registry premium domains where someone has a contractually guaranteed price?

Also, based on my own anecdotal experience, ICANN doesn’t interpret 2.10c broadly and they allow the registries to push the boundaries as much as they want.

Re: Zoom outage caused by accidental 'shutting down' of the zoom.us domain

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lrvick wrote: post #286

To try to convince my employer at the time to drop Zoom, I decided to see how many security vulns I could find in 2-3 hours. Found 12 confirmed bugs in that window using only binwalk and osint. The worst was that I noticed the zoom.us godaddy account password reset email address was the personal gmail account of Eric S Yuan, the CEO. So, I tried to do a password reset on his gmail account. No 2FA, and only needed to…

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Post by wlonkly »

tephra wrote: post #198
SkyeCA wrote: post #121

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> But why put your brand at the mercy of a government like that? I tend to trust my government (Canada) and I appreciate that WHOIS information is hidden by default for .ca domains. I live here and always will so it seems fit to use the national TLD for representing myself and my work.

IIRC CIRA who is the delegated ccTLD manager of .ca is not a government entity (this is quite common in the ccTLD space actually, a lot of ccTLD are being managed by foundations or non-profits).

They're not, they're a (refreshingly transparent) non-profit -- but the government has the ability to reassign management of .ca to another organization as they wish.

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Post by fsckboy »

Animats wrote: post #85

That seriously devalues MarkMonitor's services. MarkMonitor claims to be a "an ICANN-accredited registrar and recognized industry leader since 1999". The whole point of paying for MarkMonitor is that they're an expensive service for valuable domains and are not allowed to screw up. GoDaddy should not be involved here at all.

>The whole point of paying for MarkMonitor is that they're an expensive service for valuable domains

the whole point of MarkMonitor is more in the trademark realm, rather than a cloud sysop role.

"Mark" is what trademarks are called in the ... trade.

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Post by gavinsyancey »

subscribed wrote: post #267
nom wrote: post #219

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It's easy to blame GoDaddy, but 'miscommunication' takes two. You pay Markmonitor a shitload of money to make sure this doesn't happen. They should have dedicated people at GoDaddy and direct communication channels. This is a significant fuckup on Markmonitor's part, even if GoDaddy did something different than was requested from them.

Mark Monitor have correctly asked for `serverUpdateProhibited`, GoDaddy changed the code to `serverHold` instead. I don't know why you're trying to spin it as Mark Monitor fault.

Where are you getting that from? I don't see that info anywhere on the linked page. Is there more information published elsewhere, or do you have insider knowledge?

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Post by immibis »

AStonesThrow wrote: post #236
jsjohnst wrote: post #218

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It actually didn’t help at all. Read the part quoted again, OP specifically indicated .us, not “root zone”. The registrar for .us (GoDaddy) is in fact the “root dns for .us”

> The registrar for .us (GoDaddy) is in fact the “root dns for .us” “root DNS” has a very specific meaning, and you’ve misused it again. Root DNS means ‘.’ and only ‘.’ There is no other “root”. That’s why it’s called “root” to be unambiguous. In fact, in recent history, the root name servers use their own domain for convenient forward DNS resolution: ‘root-servers.net’ GoDaddy doesn’t run this either... Surprise, su…

The whole point of a tree is that every node is the root of its subtree.

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Post by immibis »

belorn wrote: post #208
lucb1e wrote: post #41

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What TLD is not subject to a country's laws? .aq? .su? Edit: .eu might be an even better candidate for this requirement, but you can ask British former domain owners how that worked out gTLDs just subject you to an additional layer of incompetence, namely from the company running it. The government where they're located can still come knocking. It's also not like e.g. .nl is run by the Dutch government officials, it'…

gTLDs are regulated by ICANN. As much as an organization can achieve to be a global multistakeholder group, at least the intention is to be global. ICANN have a mostly hand-off approach to ccTDLs. The intention is that each country decide on their own regulations and management when it comes to their country code specific domains. .nl is a very special case, and it is true that the Dutch government was not involved.…

IIRC one of the Balkan countries physically stole the DNS servers of another one's ccTLD.

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Post by immibis »

ryan29 wrote: post #270
jsheard wrote: post #38

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> it's the same reason why I don't use .io Dodged a bullet there given that .io is at risk of being discontinued altogether. It hasn't been decided yet, but better to not have that dangling over your head.

It's going to be interesting to see what they do. One of the core arguments when claiming the domain industry enjoys a competitive market is that switching costs are bearable and that switching TLDs is an option if registries increase prices too much. So ICANN has a non-trivial choice to make. Either they maintain the position that switching costs are bearable and let .io disappear, or they admit that TLD switching i…

Fortunately, ICANN is based in America, where there's no law that markets have to be fair or that you can't lie.
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