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Post by Calinterman »

fastglass wrote: post #253
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #88

I feel too many people conflate /pol/ with the whole website. I enjoyed browsing through sfw boards like /tg/ (tabletop media), /ck/ (cooking) and /fit/ (fitness). I had long discussions about the SW sequels on /tv/ back in 2015-19. The readership was surprisingly diverse and the anonymity lead users to provide more focused replies. With bodybuilding.com gone, the blue boards felt like the last bastion of the old int…

I feel too many people who don't conflate /pol/ with the whole website, as well as the others, don't know why /pol/ was created. It was eventually a replacement for the /new/ board, where news of the arab spring first started, shortly before it was shut down. However, it was plagued with proto-pol behavior before anyone was bothering to complain about pol. There was always these 'cells' of non /jp/ shitposters, if th…

I feel too many people who conflate /pol/ with the whole website are just regurgitating information they heard from other social media sites. The most popular boards, by far, since 2020 have been the video game and vtuber boards. With Video Game generals being the most popular board for the past five years outside of the occasional political season. You can check this on 4stats.

People who still complain about /pol/ look a little like people who would still complain about ebaumsworld: Completely out of touch individuals who equate everything to a tiny phenomena.

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Post by ltbarcly3 »

thrance wrote: post #283
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think humanity is really amazing. If someone is anti-Nazi, and also anti-Israel, they manage to find a way to believe that Jews are Nazis. There's no level of cognitive dissonance that could slow you down, is there? The Nazis were NOT in favor of a Jewish state. They wanted to be able to say they tried this, they tried that, so it's not their fault they had to do a holocaust. They wanted justification. You don't ac…

Nice try, but no cognitive dissonance here. My previous comment proved Nazis can also be Zionists, and you would know it if you deigned open the link I joined to it. I never claimed that Jews are Nazis, in fact, America's Zionists are mostly Christian nationalists, seeking to get rid of Jews on their national territory. And like the German Nazis before them, they find common ground with the Zionist project of moving…

When someone robs a bank, and puts a gun in the face of the teller, they are both in agreement. Both of them want to get the money out of the drawer and into the bag as quickly as possible. The bank robber is not aligned with the teller, they aren't allies on this topic, they're not on the same side, the fact that the teller wants to do the same thing the bank robber wants is because of the threat of murder. The teller never considered that it would be a good idea to put all the money in a sack until the gun was put in his face.

The idea that you can separate Zionism from a thousand years of pogroms and genocide is ridiculous and stupid, and the idea that Nazis are somehow 'on the side of' any Jews, in any scenario, is ridiculous and stupid. Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't murder and isolate and oppress Jews for a thousand years they wouldn't have felt the need to find a place away from you. Maybe if you don't put a gun in their face bank tellers won't start wanting to put all the money in a pillow case.

> America's Zionists are mostly Christian nationalists

I assume you are Polish or something? Hungarian? Ukrainian? The combination of comfortable, casual antisemitism, belief in silly antisemitic conspiracy theories, and lack of knowledge about the US makes me think so. Most US Zionists are Jews, because we didn't cook all the Jews who live here in big ovens. Secondarily a lot of Evangelical Christians are pro Israel due to a combination of cultural and weird religious reasons (they think Israel has to be a Jewish state so they will rebuild Solomon's Temple so that Jesus has a place to land when he comes back). There is very little (so little you would struggle to find it) antisemetic Christian Nationalist sentiment in the US compared to pro-jewish Evangelical Christian sentiment. Evangelical Christians don't want Jews to leave the country or move to Israel, the concept that this is even a valid opinion would be completely foreign.

> Unlike them, I do not believe in the "Jewish Question" (prime topic on 4chan btw) and I am perfectly fine with Jews living in my country, sharing my bread, etc.

It's their country too, right? That's what you meant? Your careful veneer is slipping a little here.

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Post by crtasm »

karn97 wrote: post #263
crtasm wrote: post #236

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Geocities was the place to create and visit homepages for a large percentage of people using the internet in the 90s. You can see its influence in games such as Hypnospace Outlaw and modern hosts like Neocities.

Hypnospace outlaw and neocities, both even less known lol

What are the most popular games on Steam that focus on interacting with a 4chan-like website?

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Post by mattlondon »

dfxm12 wrote: post #116
mattlondon wrote: post #77

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I'd hardly call it the "old internet". It is very niche, and has not been around that long really - like what 2003 or something? Nothing compared to e.g. Geocities which was early-mid 90s IIRC which I'd argue had more relevance to people than 4chan.

"Old Internet" doesn't have a very defined meaning, but I think it has more to do with design and functionality than a hard date. While I don't think relevance matters, 4chan is much more relevant than you think. Having a niche is part of the old Internet. Websites used to be niche, but deep, instead of websites like Wikipedia, which are broad and shallow (compare the Castlevania dungeon [0] to the Wikipedia article…

> 4chan's design is early web 2.0, doesn't require you create an account, allows (pseudo) anonymous posting, content is mostly unfiltered, unmonetized, free & thought of as ephemeral, etc.

That is hardly unique. There are any number of phpbb (and other) boards that allow mostly the same that were/are/will continue to be the same. The only difference is the clientele and noteriaty, but I'd argue 4chan is basically the same thing as somethingawful is/was in that regard. People act like 4chan was this ground-breaking thing but it was just one of many many similar boards.

Also for 4chan, you'd only go to 4chan to go to 4chan. People went to geocities and xoom and angelfire and all the other old internet things for niche website content from individuals, not because of the site that hosted it. It's like going to a bar to chat vs going to a library to study: going to the bar/4chan is an undeniable part of the culture, but let's not pretend it is anything significantly different amongst a constellation of other chat/forum sites (somethingawful, fark, ebaumsworld, discord, IRC etc etc etc)

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Post by Calinterman »

Red_Tarsius wrote: post #88

I feel too many people conflate /pol/ with the whole website. I enjoyed browsing through sfw boards like /tg/ (tabletop media), /ck/ (cooking) and /fit/ (fitness). I had long discussions about the SW sequels on /tv/ back in 2015-19. The readership was surprisingly diverse and the anonymity lead users to provide more focused replies. With bodybuilding.com gone, the blue boards felt like the last bastion of the old int…

It's, funny enough, identical to people who conflate all of old 4chan with /b/. The current most popular boards are video game boards and have been since Covid hit. There's a site called 4stats which charts this, and shows how the end of Trump's presidency spelled the death knell of /pol/ dominating 4chan. Which, by comparison, was four years. It's been five years since then. It's kind of like how the golden age of /b/ was a shade over three years (2004-2007) but all of old 4chan is equated to the memes made in this prehistoric era.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

desumeku wrote: post #208
PaulRobinson wrote: post #182

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No, you'll need servers and enough network capacity to handle the load, an understanding and supportive hosting provider, a law degree or enough money to pay somebody with one to keep you out of court/jail/prison, a network of degenerates to provide traffic and content and/or a copy of the existing 4chan content, a stomach of steel to deal with the content moderation duties, and a moral compass so warped you think ho…

All content that violates the law of the United States is banned on 4chan. I don't know where you got that idea.

I remember 8chan had literally one rule: don't violate US law.

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

ozmodiar wrote: post #223
brigandish wrote: post #98

I see a lot of hate for 4chan here. Why? I’ve never used it, know it by reputation, but not sure why there’s so much hate for it.

I hope this isn't too contentious but I'll try to cover most things. I've posted this a few times, but I checked out 4Chan about twice in the early days and saw CSAM both times and it gave me personally a visceral hatred of the site. I've heard it got better/that's not representative but it's a hard thing to shake. The origin of the site is also supposedly Moot getting kicked off SomethingAwful for posting 'lolicon'…

> It actually used to be slightly left leaning or at least libertarian or anarchist, but over the years pol in particular has been known to be hard right wing.

If your bar doesn't kick out nazis, your bar becomes the nazi hangout.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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Post by packetlost »

hotfist wrote: post #287
MattDemers wrote: post #111

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I think people also don't acknowledge how much terminology, slang and other culture originate and spread there. When it breaches into Twitter (usually through funposters) people kind of ignore the unsavoury origin and rewrite the history. The anonymous nature kind of provides that petri dish of "if it's strong culture, it'll survive or be modified."

This absolutely was the case for a long time. It was the cultural center of the internet where nearly all memes sprang from or gained traction and context before leaving orbit for the greater internet. That has not been the case for years though. I'd say it shifted to twitter as things shifted to inseparably political on almost all of 4chan maybe 6-8 years back and then shifted away from twitter a while after elon bo…

I think it's less the case now, but 4chan is absolutely still the source of new slang. It's just less concentrated on that one platform these days.

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Post by Calinterman »

doublerabbit wrote: post #155
JKCalhoun wrote: post #7

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I think we can lament the old internet and still care nothing for 4chan.

Why? I am not pleased with the government forced pills such as TikTok, Twitter and other such shite shoved down my throat. You may enjoy the walled garden, I for one don't. Such sites gave you a hole to get away from the dystopian view that these gardens hold. They gave independence away from forced control.

You better believe 4chan is as much of a government space as those other social media sites are. Just because you don't have to give three forms of ID and a mobile phone number to post doesn't mean they're not involved.

It's an illusion, a very believable one in an internet where billionaires try to goad you to include your name and address with every thing you post. I don't see why people care so much about Doxxing when every social media company makes them do it for free.

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Post by Calinterman »

officeplant wrote: post #255
doublerabbit wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? I am not pleased with the government forced pills such as TikTok, Twitter and other such shite shoved down my throat. You may enjoy the walled garden, I for one don't. Such sites gave you a hole to get away from the dystopian view that these gardens hold. They gave independence away from forced control.

It's incredibly easy to just not use those websites. My throat remains surprisingly clear with no effort.

It actually isn't, have you ever tried attending any real life function? An account with Meta is almost a requirement to even get in the door.
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