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Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

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Re: Honey has now lost 4M Chrome users after shady tactics were revealed

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Post by autoexec »

cogman10 wrote: post #156
asdf6969 wrote: post #150

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> What's wrong with VPNs? Nothing is inherently wrong but I trust my ISP a lot more than some random guys in Switzerland or Israel or whatever tax haven islands they operate from. They lie about what they’re good for which is just hiding things from my ISP. The rest of the benefits are fake

As you should. Because a secret you should know about your ISPs is they really don't care (or want to care) about what you are doing with their service. They don't want to add the hardware/software it'd take to spy on your data, that's a huge cost to them with nothing but downsides. I might distrust a large ISP more just because they have the extra cache to burn. But a smaller more regional ISP will not try and invad…

In the US ISPs monitor, collect, and sell your browsing history.

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Post by autoexec »

asdf6969 wrote: post #150
johnnyanmac wrote: post #110

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What's wrong with VPNs? Seems like the tamest thing to sell in terms of ethical impact. any security middleman can be skewed negatively if you phrase it as "they get to peek at everything". That's what a security app needs to properly protect you, and why these apps live and die on credibility (see: Crowdstrike). Fortunately none of the youtubers I watched ever went full dark horse and pawned off gambling and scams,…

> What's wrong with VPNs? Nothing is inherently wrong but I trust my ISP a lot more than some random guys in Switzerland or Israel or whatever tax haven islands they operate from. They lie about what they’re good for which is just hiding things from my ISP. The rest of the benefits are fake

> Nothing is inherently wrong but I trust my ISP a lot more than some random guys in Switzerland or Israel

In the US ISPs collect, monitor, and sell your browsing history. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/how-i...

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Post by jrflowers »

thombat wrote: post #72
jrflowers wrote: post #53

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Seems like a lot of people get value from ball shavers and ass wipes though

It's too late to enter the market now. Let's try for the first mover advantage in influencer-favourite ball wipes and ass shavers.

No what we need to aim for at things that soil the balls and fluff up the asses. Synergy.

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Post by kvlh »

chii wrote: post #276
SamuelAdams wrote: post #216

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Kind of like how most spyware is now called “employee monitoring tools”. This stuff used to be frowned upon but now I guess the narrative has changed.

if the computer belongs to the company, and you're using it as an employee, you should be told that such spyware is installed and your usage of said machines are monitored. Then there's no qualms about this at all. It's only an invasion of privacy if the monitoring is done in secret.

|It's only an invasion of privacy if the monitoring is done in secret.

Uhhh... that seems very incorrect. If someone pokes their head into your shower session, it's an invasion of privacy - whether or not they let you know they're peepin on ya.

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Post by chrisdsaldivar »

cbozeman wrote: post #241
jack_pp wrote: post #232

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Why would Linus have the ability to see through it? He isn't into software, probably can't code at all. His channel is dedicated to hardware

And he's not actually that great at that, if his storage server videos are any indication.

I haven’t seen the videos and don’t know much about the space. Could your provide any insight into what’s wrong?

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Post by mrguyorama »

droopyEyelids wrote: post #219
tyre wrote: post #198

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Given that one of the most powerful people with the US Government right now is a member of a group called the PayPal Mafia well sigh

Does he still own paypal Stock? Seems unlikely. And he wants X to be a competitor!

Uh Peter Thiel basically owns JD Vance. Musk wasn't meaningful in Paypal.

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Post by mrguyorama »

gruez wrote: post #120
ryandrake wrote: post #116

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It seems like the whole system would be so much better without coupons. Retailers should charge a single transparent price without having everyone have to go trawling around the Internet for coupon codes which may or may not work, and then being mad because some customers found bigger coupons, which you really didn't want them to find. And other customers using coupon finders who themselves are opaque and sometimes g…

>The whole system seems to be set up to reward [...] 2. customers willing to deal with a ridiculous system for a discount. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination#Coupons It's unclear whether banning price discrimination as a whole is a good thing. Is it really a bad thing that people with more money pay more, and people with more time can get a discount?

The entire point of doing price discrimination is so that you can keep a price high while tamping down any market pressure that would normally encourage you to lower your prices.

If McDonalds had to choose one price for an 8 piece nuggets, they would have to make a choice to either be ultra cheap, and anyone could happily afford those McDonalds nuggets like it was the 80s again, or they could choose to target up market, in which case they would compete with other expensive nuggets and some other business could take the market share for "extremely cheap nuggets"

Price discrimination distorts natural market forces that would otherwise drive competition, create opportunity, or "punish" hostile practices.

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Post by mrguyorama »

willy_k wrote: post #45
magicalhippo wrote: post #14

A couple of YouTubers I watch promoted this and given what I assumed it did, I'm surprised that's all it does. If it seems to good to be true, it probably is.

Something that has been making the sponsorship rounds now is Ground News[0] which I have found very useful with just the free tier. But given how many people I have seen sponsored by them, I wonder if there is some catch, especially because I can’t imagine that many people sign up for the paid service. I can’t think of what that catch would be though, they do not have unique access to personal data, and I haven’t see…

The catch is that ground news fully accepts and perpetuates the stupidity of American political news interpretation by insisting on "right" vs "left".

It's probably not a nefarious scheme though, they just saw the clear market opening for "News that people think is impartial" from all the liberals that need to keep on top of the narrative that Fox News or New York Post publish but don't want to waste hours a week watching talking heads, and from all the blatant conservatives who need to validate their belief that the general conservative narrative for anything is "not political"

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Post by mrguyorama »

barbecue_sauce wrote: post #170
johnnyanmac wrote: post #101

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So this perspective boils down to "entrepreneurs are evil"? An interesting take to put on a site dedicated to funding entrepreneurs.

Is that really how people view HackerNews? I've always felt the connection to YCombinator to be largely superficial, with the site being mostly for people looking to get news on technology itself, rather than the business thereof.

Anyone who has been in a YC batch gets a special magic "Orange" name tag on HN that anyone else with an orange name tag can see, and we, the proles, cannot.

This site is an advertisement for YC, and was built primarily for mindshare. "Growth hacker" types that started YC and built HN and spun off Reddit don't build things "for fun" if there is profit to be made.

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Post by lbarron6868 »

cedws wrote: post #262
paulryanrogers wrote: post #196

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Shame so many creators took the Honey paycheck, even while Honey was taking money out of their pocket by stealing affiliate links. I guess few really vet their sponsors. Not even LTT or MrBeast!

BetterHelp is arguably worse. Everything I've heard about them sounds terrible, but they're all over YouTube and presumably they're getting a lot of vulnerable customers who will never receive the support they need. The YouTubers that peddle this shit have no morals.

Every single podcast I listen to is sponsored by BetterHelp, nearly all of them.
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