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The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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How many kids walking to or from school have been shot by rural landowners? What you're describing is illegal.

It varies from state to state. See "Castle Doctrine" and its variants, including the worst "Stand Your Ground" ones. The US has more pockets of dystopia than are necessarily obvious.

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Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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I’m across the street from a school and there is always one parent that parks in my condo building’s driveway and blocks it. It would be too much for them to be in the line! Then sometimes, they leave their car and go in the school and we are trying to home or leave and they get angry with us!

This sort of thing drives me insane. The people on the polar extremes are (I suspect) part of why we can't have nice things. I've both lived by the school and been a parent, and I badly wish people would practice some empathy and common sense. For example there are some people that will literally sit outside during pickup hours on a lawn chair and yell at people for parking on the street in front of their house (whic…

I live near a school. Soccer practice, parents routinely park up and down the street at the far end of the field where their kids are practicing, because the school car park at the other end of the field would be a good two minute walk away. "No parking this side" doesn't apply to soccer practice parking, either, apparently.

And if you want to just do a drive by pickup, sure, no worries, stop in the middle of the street (with cars either side), and have your kids younger sister hop out, leaving the car door open, and go wander down the slope to help her brother with his equipment and carry it back up the slope. No-one else is using the street or lives there, after all, so they can wait a few minutes. Bonus points if you get belligerent with them or flip them off for being "impatient".

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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You’re right, I don’t get it. Why is it expected that kids should be able to walk to school? Seems like that’s a pretty blinkered view by someone who never leaves the city? In a rural district, very few kids can do that, and that’s why there are buses for everyone else. Also, why wouldn’t school buses work in a denser area? That’s why they have multiple school buses doing multiple routes. All the usual arguments for…

> Why is it expected that kids should be able to walk to school? Because we typically don't let kids drive. If they're able to walk to school then they can walk themselves to and from school without the help of an adult (even one driving the bus), once they are responsible enough to.

That’s a circular argument. There’s nothing wrong with relying on a bus driver or taking a bus. Adults do it, too.

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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> Activities can't make people into mandatory reporters. Only some mandated reporters are subject to reporting requirements when off-duty What is all that based on? Are you a mandatory reporter? It might be dangerous to give advice. Even if you know your jurisdiction, others will vary.

I am a mandatory reporter (healthcare provider), and I specifically called out that jurisdictions, occupations, and events or situations may tweak that. > Many activities now make all adults mandatory reporters I was specifically commenting that an activity doesn't make someone a mandatory reporter. That is you are a mandatory reporter based on your occupation, status, and what is happening. The OPs comment makes it…

Their policy is probably only act as if. The training I'm given doesn't go into such details though.

Come to think of it, they say it is mandatory to report, but are careful to avoid talking about the law. However it is recorded I have training. I would honestly expect the courts decide that I'm legally a mandatory reporter if it was discovered I should have seen something, even if I don't technically meet the law. (at least if they can find any way to read the law to get me)

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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"he decided" is probably one of the issues here. back in the day it would have been "this is what your doing now kid"

That kind of upbringing worked out really well for the boomers, we are in this mess because of that. Kids should have agency and independence, but also a feeling of safety, trust, and security. You cannot force a kid to work against their own safety instinct because of your own selfish comfort.

“but also a feeling of safety, trust, and security”

i agree a little bit. But at what point does the “growing up” part happen? you know…when they turn 18, and have to get a real job (or go to university), doing things that are uncomfortable and maybe not fun?

The process of growing up and becoming more mature is accomplished by challenging yourself and pushing boundaries, to grow as a person.

i guess im saying, it depends. its not as black and white as you suggest. Is the fear irrational? Maybe therapy would help. Or a buddy to walk home with. But you need to _somehow_ help kids grow independent.

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“Nice weather” /= UK

True, but "bad weather" /= UK as well. There is a large spectrum, and UK mostly sits as just a little worse than nice.

Shhhh you’ll ruin our reputation.

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That's fucking ridiculous.

What's more ridiculous is someone probably sued them and they were forced to do something asinine like that as CYA.

In roughly 2009 my (mostly very well run) school was freaked out when me and my brothers, all age 9-11, wanted to walk the 1.2 miles home. And honestly the teacher and principal involved were/are among the most reasonable, experienced, pragmatic educators I know. I genuinely think the issue is paranoid parents watching them allow such a behavior just as much as the small chance we get clipped on the sidewalk by an out of control car. Aka they were 99% sure my mom would be fine with us walking home, that we weren't lying about her approval, and that if we were lying and something happened while unaccounted for my parents wouldn't hold her responsible, but we live in a silly society, and people are watching.

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My training is if there is any possibility of anything report. They specifically told me not to think. Telling me a few hours is okay would mean I now have something to think about and I'm not allowed to do think.

> any possibility of anything How do I report you for taking the time to reply here instead of reporting that Amy, Brad, Charlie, Drake, Emily, everyone, etc.. parents all have the possibility of abusing them, that their siblings all have the possibility of abusing them, that their friends all have the possibility of abusing them, that their teachers all have the possibility abusing them, that you could be a victim o…

I'm reporting what the instructions are, not what I think about them.

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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What's more ridiculous is someone probably sued them and they were forced to do something asinine like that as CYA.

> What's more ridiculous is someone probably sued them I'd almost bet nobody sued them. (I'll extend: I'd be surprised if a parent has ever won such a case.) An idiot parent made a stink at a PTA meeting and nobody could be bothered going head to head with Karen.

First of all another parent making a stink at PTA is a genuine situation to want to avoid. The facebook smear campaigns I've seen against teachers are incredible. Also, they absolutely have been sued, and if I remember I'll link a handful later when home. Or the even more fun phenomenon is other parents calling CPS on parents when they witness their children walking home unattended, and that report is actually pursued and adjudicated.

Re: The School Car Pickup Line Is a National Embarrassment

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Right. I walked home from school every day and it was about 4 miles through farm fields and along country roads with blind corners.

4 miles? Luxury. I used to dream of walking just 4 miles to school. I had to walk SIXTEEN miles in the wet, cold snow AND pay teacher for permission to come to school! (edit: It's the Four Yorkshireman sketch. A joke, people...)

School?!? Well fiddledeedee which luxury part of Yorkshire are you from?

When I were a lad I used to walk sixteen miles just for a kick up the arse and then have to walk home again to work under t’spinning machine at t’mill for the other 14 hours of the day.

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