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Re: Microsoft is plotting a future without OpenAI

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

CSMastermind wrote: post #251
devsda wrote: post #215

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> There is a prominent subset of the tech crowd who are ladder climbers - ruthlessly pursuing what is rewarded with pay/title/prestige without regard to actually making good stuff. I think the hiring and reward practices of the organizations & the industry as a whole also encourages this sort of behavior. When you reward people who are switching too often or only when moving internally/externally, switching becomes t…

Okay but what's a better system?

Create incentives that managers will be responsible for a very long time for a system/product that they create; with barely any chance to get out of it. Give them a malus (opposite of "bonus"; except in rare exceptional cases) if they "project hop".

If a particular kind of "career managers" hate this system (and perhaps thus quit): great.

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

marricks wrote: post #228
drexlspivey wrote: post #43

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Next up: CEO level model to run your company. Pricing starts at $800k/month plus stock options

Which is funny because the CEO level one is the easiest to automate

The basic role of a CEO is to be the face of the company and market it to the varioua stakeholders.

This is hard to automatize.

Re: Microsoft is plotting a future without OpenAI

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

slantaclaus wrote: post #123
drexlspivey wrote: post #43

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Next up: CEO level model to run your company. Pricing starts at $800k/month plus stock options

I won’t considering trusting an AI to run a company until it can beat me at Risk

This should be easy for an AI.

Re: Microsoft is plotting a future without OpenAI

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Post by re-thc »

CSMastermind wrote: post #251
devsda wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There is a prominent subset of the tech crowd who are ladder climbers - ruthlessly pursuing what is rewarded with pay/title/prestige without regard to actually making good stuff. I think the hiring and reward practices of the organizations & the industry as a whole also encourages this sort of behavior. When you reward people who are switching too often or only when moving internally/externally, switching becomes t…

Okay but what's a better system?

> Okay but what's a better system?

Why does promotion need a new feature? Reward for maintenance over time. Build on existing features / components. Reward for helping and up-skilling others.

Re: Microsoft is plotting a future without OpenAI

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Post by cratermoon »

paxys wrote: post #36
DebtDeflation wrote: post #31

A couple of days ago it leaked that OpenAI was planning on launching new pricing for their AI Agents. $20K/mo for their PhD Level Agent, $10K/mo for their Software Developer Agent, and $2K/mo for their Knowledge Worker Agent. I found it very telling. Not because I think anyone is going to pay this, but rather because this is the type of pricing they need to actually make money. At $20 or even $200 per month, they'll…

It's pretty funny that OpenAI wants to sell access to a "PhD level" model at a price with which you can hire like 3-5 real human PhDs full-time.

more like 10 PhD candidates, at the typical university stipend.

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Post by cratermoon »

hyperbrainer wrote: post #148
BeetleB wrote: post #84

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> Even PhD students, who's nominal salary is maybe $3-5k a month Do they really get paid that much these days?

That amount is standard at EPFL and ETH, but I don't know about the USA.

USA stipend is $25K to $30K annually

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Post by scarface_74 »

saturn8601 wrote: post #185
escapecharacter wrote: post #62

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Unfortunately whether someone is checked out is a laggy measure. Even good honest motivated people can become checked out without even being aware of it. The alternative is to lay off people as soon as they hit 1.0 (with a severance bonus on the scale of an acquisition). This would obviously be worse, as you can’t take advantage of their institutional knowledge.

This motivated part of Musk's moves at Twitter(and now DOGE). You can't reliably evaluate which people are checked out and when you are against the clock, you have to take a hatchet and accept that you will break things that are in motion.

And seeing how many people they let go and then had to hire back in the government and seeing that Twitter is worth 80% less than we he bought it, that might not be the best strategy.

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Post by scarface_74 »

stavros wrote: post #269
reverius42 wrote: post #260

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> make good products first and get paid second. And the pay should be good. The better the pay, the more you will attract the people who are there for the pay first and making good products ... second or third or never. How do you combat that?

You interview them first.

You act as if every experienced interviewer doesn’t know how to play the game and act like they are “passionate”.

Re: Microsoft is plotting a future without OpenAI

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Post by scarface_74 »

saturn8601 wrote: post #182
teaearlgraycold wrote: post #48

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These people should be fired. I want a tech company where people are there to make good products first and get paid second. And the pay should be good. The lifestyle comfortable. No grindset bullshit. But I am confident that if you only employ passionate people working their dream jobs you will excel.

You are trying to combine two repelling magnets together. Case in point: Tesla/SpaceX meets your first criteria: "I want a tech company where people are there to make good products first and get paid second." Google meets your second criteria: "And the pay should be good. The lifestyle comfortable. No grindset bullshit." Other than small time boutique software firms like Fog Creek Software or Panic Inc(and thats a BI…

> Case in point: Tesla/SpaceX meets your first criteria: "I want a tech company where people are there to make good products first and get paid second

Tesla has never been a good product.

https://insideevs.com/news/731559/tesla-least-reliable-used-...

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/11/tesla-model-3-comes-bottom...

https://www.topspeed.com/tesla-reliability-and-repair-costs-...

Not to mention the infotainment system is much worse than CarPlay/Android Auto compatible cars

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