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Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by amarcheschi »

swatcoder wrote: post #57
zaptrem wrote: post #26

GPT 4.5 pricing is insane: Price Input: $75.00 / 1M tokens Cached input: $37.50 / 1M tokens Output: $150.00 / 1M tokens GPT 4o pricing for comparison: Price Input: $2.50 / 1M tokens Cached input: $1.25 / 1M tokens Output: $10.00 / 1M tokens It sounds like it's so expensive and the difference in usefulness is so lacking(?) they're not even gonna keep serving it in the API for long: > GPT‑4.5 is a very large and comput…

> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

I have a professor who founded a few companies, one of these was funded by gates after he managed to spoke with him and convinced him to give him money. This guy is goat, and he always tells us that we need to find solutions to problems, not to find problems to our solutions. It seems at openai they didn't get the memo this time

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by bodegajed »

EA-3167 wrote: post #184
swatcoder wrote: post #57

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> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

Maybe if they build a few more data centers, they'll be able to construct their machine god. Just a few more dedicated power plants, a lake or two, a few hundred billion more and they'll crack this thing wide open. And maybe Tesla is going to deliver truly full self driving tech any day now. And Star Citizen will prove to have been worth it along along, and Bitcoin will rain from the heavens. It's very difficult to r…

Could this path lead to solving world hunger too? :)

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by rvnx »

danenania wrote: post #282
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #197

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Yeap, that the thing, they are not ahead anymore. Not since last summer at least. Yes they have probably largest customer base, but their models are not the best for a while already.

Eh, I think o1-pro is by far the most capable model available right now in terms of pure problem solving.

You can try Claude 3.7-Thinking and Grok 3 Think. 10 times cheaper, as good, or very similar to o1-pro.

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by rvnx »

rebolek wrote: post #279
minimaxir wrote: post #48

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Sam Altman's explanation for the restriction is a bit fluffier: https://x.com/sama/status/1895203654103351462 > bad news: it is a giant, expensive model. we really wanted to launch it to plus and pro at the same time, but we've been growing a lot and are out of GPUs. we will add tens of thousands of GPUs next week and roll it out to the plus tier then. (hundreds of thousands coming soon, and i'm pretty sure y'all wil…

Bad news: Sam Altman runs the show.

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Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by j_maffe »

jsheard wrote: post #150
ur-whale wrote: post #79

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AI as it stands in 2025 is an amazing technology, but it is not a product at all . As a result, OpenAI simply does not have a business model, even if they are trying to convince the world that they do. My bet is that they're currently burning through other people's capital at an amazing rate, but that they are light-years from profitability They are also being chased by fierce competition and OpenSource which is very…

> My bet is that they're currently burning through other people's capital at an amazing rate, but that they are light-years from profitability The Information leaked their internal projections a few months ago, and apparently their own estimates have them losing $44B between then and 2029 when they expect to finally turn a profit, maybe.

That's surprisingly small

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by j_maffe »

chollida1 wrote: post #259
phito wrote: post #148

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Not if people just try a few prompts then stop using it.

Sure but its in their best interest to lower it then and only then. OpenAI wouldn't be the first company to price something expensive when it first comes out to capitalize on people who are less price sensitive at first and then lower prices to capture a bigger audience. That's all pricing 101 as the saying goes.

If OAI are concerning themselves with collecting a few hundereds from a small group of individuals then they really have nothing better to do

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by hnuser123456 »

shoubidouwah wrote: post #283
goatlover wrote: post #211

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Certainly hope so. The tech billionaires are little to excited to achieve AGI and replace the workforce.

TBH, with the safety/alignment paradigm we have, workforce replacement was not my top concern when we hit AGI. A pause / lull in capabilities would be hugely helpful so that we can figure how not to die along with the lightcone...

Is it inevitable to you that someone will create some kind of techno-god behemoth AI that will figure out how to optimally dominate an entire future light cone starting from the point in spacetime of its self-actualization? Borg or Cylons?

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by FergusArgyll »

jampa wrote: post #167

First impression of GPT-4.5: 1. It is very very slow, for some applications where you want real time interactions is just not viable, the text attached below took 7s to generate with 4o, but 46s with GPT4.5 2. The style it writes is way better: it keeps the tone you ask and makes better improvements on the flow. One of my biggest complaints with 4o is that you want for your content to be more casual and accessible bu…

I opened your link in a new tab and looked at it a couple minutes later. By then I forgot which was o and which was .5

I honestly couldn't decide which I prefer

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by tmpz22 »

jug wrote: post #280
istjohn wrote: post #221

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According to a graph they provide, it does hallucinate significantly less on at least one benchmark.

It hallucinates at 37% on SimpleQA yeah, which is a set of very difficult questions inviting hallucinations. Claude 3.5 Sonnet (the June 2024 editiom, before October update and before 3.7) hallucinated at 35%. I think this is more of an indication of how behind OpenAI has been in this area.

Are the benchmarks known ahead of time? Could the answer to the benchmarks be in the training data?

Re: GPT-4.5

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

EA-3167 wrote: post #184
swatcoder wrote: post #57

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> We look forward to learning more about its strengths, capabilities, and potential applications in real-world settings. If GPT‑4.5 delivers unique value for your use case, your feedback (opens in a new window) will play an important role in guiding our decision. "We don't really know what this is good for, but spent a lot of money and time making it and are under intense pressure to announce new things right now. If…

Maybe if they build a few more data centers, they'll be able to construct their machine god. Just a few more dedicated power plants, a lake or two, a few hundred billion more and they'll crack this thing wide open. And maybe Tesla is going to deliver truly full self driving tech any day now. And Star Citizen will prove to have been worth it along along, and Bitcoin will rain from the heavens. It's very difficult to r…

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